Christ never planted the seeds of death in the system. Satan planted these seeds when he tempted Adam to eat of the tree of knowledge, which meant disobedience to God. Not one noxious plant was placed in the Lord's great garden, but after Adam and Eve sinned, poisonous herbs sprang up. In the parable of the sower the question was asked the master, "Didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? From whence then hath it tares?" The master answered, "An enemy hath done this." [Matthew 13:27, 28.] All tares are sown by the evil one. Every noxious herb is of his sowing, and by his ingenious methods of amalgamation he has corrupted the earth with tares. {16MR 247.2}

So if the MGEs didn't come from the fruit itself, but "the eating of the fruit is what gave him the MGEs," what did eating the fruit have to do with MGEs/sin?

You also said, "Sinning does not create MGEs. Sinning activates and/or mobilizes them." But Adam had no MGEs when he ate the fruit. There was nothing to mobilize.

Did I say the MGEs were not in the fruit? In this paradigm, I take what EGW says, that they planted when Adam ate from the tree. Before his fall, Adam had none of them.

Isn't that what you said in post #160770, 2 posts ago?


And I want to know what the paradigm conjectures as the source of those MGEs. Either Adam ingested them from the fruit or he didn't.

But saying that the fruit had MGEs would be problematic, I think.

I would think that the original source of the MGEs would be a fundamental question. That they are in our genetic code now can be verified by research. But this paradigm postulates a whole new meaning to genetic elements, giving them fundamental spiritual properties. Hence, I ask about the genetic significance of the Original Sin, which has obvious spiritual significance.

You mean when I said this? "Adam - the eating of the fruit is what gave him the MGEs. No eating, no fall."


What did EGW say? The seeds were planted when Satan tempted Adam to eat! No eating, no planting. It is quite simple.

Understand that Satan was not out to kill Adam! On the contrary - he was trying to take him captive. This, MGEs can do!

MGEs are the works the devil. MGEs are the cause of all sickness, all aging, and all death, exactly what sin does. The concept of "original sin" has taken the idea that we are guilty of Adam's sin. Ezekiel 18 squashes this idea completely.

It seems it is premature to discuss this conjecture in any depth at this time. It still cannot say definitively if the fruit had MGEs or not. It relies on ambiguous answers that confuse even its staunchest advocates.

Furthermore, if MGEs=sin, and epigenetic changes are passed down through the genome, Ezekiel 18 would be a problem. Unto the 3rd and 4th generation, yes? Unless if guilt is a purely forensic matter. I don't remember Melashenko bringing up Ezek 18.

The MGEs were in the fruit. Is that ambiguous? What was in the fruit was not to cause death, that also is clear.

MGEs and epigentic switching being pass down the generations in real, not legal. But note - the MGE do not determine behavior, YOU DO. The MGE give the propensity to the behaviors we call sin. As the 10C says, to the 3rd and 4th generation, "OF THEM THAT HATE ME." Romans 5:19-21 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 20 Moreover the law entered, that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21 That as sin has reigned to death, even so might grace reign through righteousness to eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Thank you. That is unambiguous.

However, it is contradictory. Isn't it a postulate of this theory that MGEs are lethal? If there were MGEs in the fruit, then that would make the fruit deadly. Did I misunderstand the nature of MGEs?

But didn't Melashenko say that even if all our actions were OK, the fact that we have MGEs/propensities is the main problem God has to solve? So, a person whose actions are perfect will still die eternally if his MGEs are not healed.

What was in the fruit did not need to be lethal! BUT - what was in the fruit could have been devices to block cellular defense mechanisms, where by Satan could then implant other weapons, opening the door as it were. We do know that soon after eating, Adam and Eve changed. And what ever happened, it also affects their posterity - it was in the genetics.