This quote is not saying God does not execute justice...

This quote is saying that IN THIS LIFE God will give sinners over to thier unrepented sins and they die as a result of God's withdrawal of mercy. The alcoholic or drug addict dies because of the sickness etc...

God does not stand towards sinners as their executioner because He wants us to see that He has mercy and love for us, but at the same time He is the rewarder of men and will in no wise clear the guilty.

Since you want to keep driving this point into the ground lets see what the Spirit of Prophecy says that God did do durring the fall of Jerusalem since that is the subject of your quote.

"And on “whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.” The people who rejected Christ were soon to see their city and their nation destroyed. Their glory would be broken, and scattered as the dust before the wind. And what was it that destroyed the Jews? It was the rock which, had they built upon it, would have been their security. It was the goodness of God despised, the righteousness spurned, the mercy slighted. Men set themselves in opposition to God, and all that would have been their salvation was turned to their destruction. All that God ordained unto life they found to be unto death. In the Jews’ crucifixion of Christ was involved the destruction of Jerusalem. The blood shed upon Calvary was the weight that sank them to ruin for this world and for the world to come. So it will be in the great final day, when judgment shall fall upon the rejecters of God’s grace. Christ, their rock of offense, will then appear to them as an avenging mountain. The glory of His countenance, which to the righteous is life, will be to the wicked a consuming fire. Because of love rejected, grace despised, the sinner will be destroyed. {DA 600.2}
By many illustrations and repeated warnings, Jesus showed what would be the result to the Jews of rejecting the Son of God. In these words He was addressing all in every age who refuse to receive Him as their Redeemer. Every warning is for them. The desecrated temple, the disobedient son, the false husbandmen, the contemptuous builders, have their counterpart in the experience of every sinner. Unless he repent, the doom which they foreshadowed will be his. {DA 600.3}

But of course you will not see the ballance between the two statements.

The destruction of Jerusalem was the avenging angel taking the lives of those who killed Jesus, and that was the end of their first life. The second and third deaths for them will be most unpleasant for them;

“The Lord cometh out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.” Isaiah 26:21. “And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the Lord shall be among them; and they shall lay hold everyone on the hand of his neighbor, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbor.” Zechariah 14:12, 13. In the mad strife of their own fierce passions, and by the awful outpouring of God’s unmingled wrath (TWO DIFFERENT CAUSES), fall the wicked inhabitants of the earth—priests, rulers, and people, rich and poor, high and low. “And the slain of the Lord shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried.” Jeremiah 25:33. {GC 656.3}
At the coming of Christ the wicked are blotted from the face of the whole earth—consumed with the spirit of His mouth and destroyed by the brightness of His glory. Christ takes His people to the City of God, and the earth is emptied of its inhabitants. “Behold, the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.” “The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word.” “Because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned.” Isaiah 24:1, 3, 5, 6. {GC 657.1}

In solom defense of the word of God I must tell you how far off the path your perception is, and as long as you keep arguing the wrong side of this argument I am inspired to contend with your insolence for the sake of others here.

Notice in that quote it says "all that would have been their salvation was turned to their destruction" ?

Is Satan for our salvation?

The rock, who is for their salvation grinds them to powder.

You do not know the glory of the Lord.

God treats the sinners the same as the righteous. What is the difference? SIN.

Isaiah 33:14-15 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness has surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings? 15 He that walks righteously, and speaks uprightly; he that despises the gain of oppressions, that shakes his hands from holding of bribes, that stops his ears from hearing of blood, and shuts his eyes from seeing evil;

Isaiah 9:18-19 For wickedness burns as the fire: it shall devour the briers and thorns, and shall kindle in the thickets of the forest, and they shall mount up like the lifting up of smoke. 19 Through the wrath of the LORD of hosts is the land darkened, and the people shall be as the fuel of the fire: no man shall spare his brother.

Isaiah 13:8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travails: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.

I did pray for you and the next day too. But my prayers don't seem to be answered as yours do. Maybe I lack faith.

Yes. Is anyone saying the sinner does not die?

(Are you casting contempt here?)

Through generation after generation, from age to age, Satan has gathered human agencies through whom to work out his diabolical purposes, and to bring about the enforcement of his plans and devices in the earth. The great putrid fountain of evil has been continually flowing through human society. Though unable to expel God from His throne, Satan has charged God with satanic attributes and has claimed the attributes of God as his own. . . . Through his serpentine sharpness, through his crooked practices, he has drawn to himself the homage that human beings should have given to God, and has planted his satanic throne between the human worshiper and the divine Father.—Manuscript 39, 1894 (Review and Herald, Apr. 14, 1896). {CTr 10.4}

Can you see how you are not saying the same as Ellen White says? You are saying that satan (and us) is claiming God is a tyrant. Destroying is an act of a tyrant. Satan says God is going to destroy. By saying He is going to destroy is saying God is a tyrant. However, she is saying he is charging God with satanic attributes. Do you see a difference between merely calling God a tyrant because he does the acts of a tyrant with saying He has the attributes (does the acts) of a tyrant?


By the same misrepresentation of the character of God as he had practiced in Heaven, causing him to be regarded as severe and tyrannical, Satan induced man to sin. And having succeeded thus far, he declared that God's unjust restrictions had led to man's fall, as they had led to his own rebellion. {4SP 320.1}

Misrepresenting the character of God caused Him to be regarded as tyrannical.

Do you see a difference between calling God a tyrant and causing Him to be regarded as tyrannical?

God's word, rightly understood and applied, is a safeguard against spiritualism. An eternally burning hell preached from the pulpit, and kept before the people, does injustice to the benevolent character of God. It presents Him as the veriest tyrant in the universe. This widespread dogma has turned thousands to universalism, infidelity, and atheism.
1T 344.2}

Saying God is going to torture people is presenting him as a tyrant.

Sigve Tonstad, MD, PhD: In conversations with my children and close friends, the three distinctive Adventist beliefs I tend to emphasize are the right picture of God, the cosmic conflict, and the non-immortality of the soul, to put the latter in somewhat archaic terms. These are existentially important beliefs to me. I could belong not to a church that believes in an everlasting hell. My church [SDA], too, needs to do better with regard to notions of divine retribution. We should be able to say without flinching that God does not do torture.

See, it works this way. If you are going to pray for a brother, you don't use it as a weapon and say "You need prayer" which is condescending and contemptuous, without telling the brother about your efforts to do so.

If the Holy Spirit was motivating you to say what you did you would say "Brother I am praying for you". But that was not in your heart, so everything you are saying in defense of your offense is a lie.

Also, God cannot change the heart of someone else unless God and the person wants it that way. I am sharing what God has told me directly, so from my perspective God would never answer your prayer to change my heart on this subject because I am where He wants me to be here, it is you who needs changing but you refuse.

If you will look back on this thread and others you will see how many times I already directly said I will pray for you but then God also told me and you have proven that you will never change your heart on this subject which I have also stated directly on this thread several times.

So you say that Ellen White says God is a Tyrant? This is the result of your indiscression, you will leave the church because you do not agree with the doctrines.

"And on “whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.” The people who rejected Christ were soon to see their city and their nation destroyed. Their glory would be broken, and scattered as the dust before the wind. And what was it that destroyed the Jews? It was the rock which, had they built upon it, would have been their security. It was the goodness of God despised, the righteousness spurned, the mercy slighted. Men set themselves in opposition to God, and all that would have been their salvation was turned to their destruction. All that God ordained unto life they found to be unto death. In the Jews’ crucifixion of Christ was involved the destruction of Jerusalem. The blood shed upon Calvary was the weight that sank them to ruin for this world and for the world to come. So it will be in the great final day, when judgment shall fall upon the rejecters of God’s grace. Christ, their rock of offense, will then appear to them as an avenging mountain. The glory of His countenance, which to the righteous is life, will be to the wicked a consuming fire. Because of love rejected, grace despised, the sinner will be destroyed. {DA 600.2}
By many illustrations and repeated warnings, Jesus showed what would be the result to the Jews of rejecting the Son of God. In these words He was addressing all in every age who refuse to receive Him as their Redeemer. Every warning is for them. The desecrated temple, the disobedient son, the false husbandmen, the contemptuous builders, have their counterpart in the experience of every sinner. Unless he repent, the doom which they foreshadowed will be his. {DA 600.3}


“The Lord cometh out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.” Isaiah 26:21. “And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the Lord shall be among them; and they shall lay hold everyone on the hand of his neighbor, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbor.” Zechariah 14:12, 13. In the mad strife of their own fierce passions, and by the awful outpouring of God’s unmingled wrath (TWO DIFFERENT CAUSES), fall the wicked inhabitants of the earth—priests, rulers, and people, rich and poor, high and low. “And the slain of the Lord shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried.” Jeremiah 25:33. {GC 656.3}
At the coming of Christ the wicked are blotted from the face of the whole earth—consumed with the spirit of His mouth and destroyed by the brightness of His glory. Christ takes His people to the City of God, and the earth is emptied of its inhabitants. “Behold, the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.” “The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word.” “Because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned.” Isaiah 24:1, 3, 5, 6. {GC 657.1}


You twist the truth to support your lie, and you are trying to cast contempt on the Spirit of Prophecy.

I don't see you making any comments on the quotes I was inspired to use. Instead you use conjecture and diabolical disception to try to make the Spirit of Prophecy contradict itself.

Kland this is the truth, you are disregarding the words God has given His prophet on this subject and you are arguing from ignorance.

You say that God's justice is torture and tyranical.

That is on your head.

Where in anything that I said or quoted did I mention an eternally burning hell? You continually use quotes out of context which is supporting the fact that God keeps telling me that you are here only to do evil to the church.

You are shameless.