It sounds like to me you are hanging on, as far as possible, the yeast germs shall be destroyed, to mean that they are NOT destroyed.

Do you mean that yeast dies after 2-3 days?


(one right after another...)

Would you like yeast to be growing in your gut? Are you acquainted with anyone who has had Candida?

It's worth following Mrs. White's counsel. You will notice that her statement focuses on the hazard of eating fresh yeast bread. It does not mention alcohol. So, since this is not really about alcohol, we have strayed...

Although yeast is very much related to most alcohol production, let's get back to the subject of the alcohol itself.

Yeast dies without food and moisture. It does not all die instantly. Feel free to reach your own conclusions.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

(And yet another)

Yes I agree this is way off topic from both the thread and in response to me.

No. I understand we may need to take medicine because of illness or injury. But, as far as Christian Living is concerned, we should never indulge in alcohol.

One nice thing about drinking alcohol--which I never do, by the way--is that not much lives or grows in it. It might be a safer beverage in some parts of the world than the ice water served at the restaurant.

"Drink a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities," we are told. What does this mean? The Greek word for "wine" was comprehensive of both alcoholic and non-alcoholic forms, so it is simply not possible to state categorically that one or the other was meant.

I do not drink alcohol. Not even a bit of it. I think it would be wrong of me to do so. But my convictions do not necessarily need to be applied to others as a rule of measure for them. May each be convinced in his own mind.

I believe there may well be a "moderate" level of use of such a thing as alcohol. As Alchemy implied, this may include the use of alcohol in medicinal form. (There are a number of medicines which depend upon alcohol as a portion of their ingredients, such as tinctures.) In any case, I do not feel free to judge others in meat or drink. (See 1 Corinthians 10:29.)

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

A "moderate" level of medicinal use?
As opposed to what other levels of medicinal use?

By the way, there's not much that will grow in mercury solutions. Which were popular in years past, but now are just directly injected into people.

1 Thess. 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as others; but let us watch and be sober.
5:7 For they that sleep, sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

Green, I don't suppose it would be worthwhile to ask you about whether you found the statement you thought existed. I found this:

Bread should be light and sweet. Not the least taint of sourness should be tolerated. The loaves should be small and so thoroughly baked that, so far as possible, the yeast germs shall be destroyed. When hot or new, raised bread of any kind is difficult of digestion. It should never appear on the table. This rule does not, however, apply to unleavened bread. Fresh rolls made of wheaten meal without yeast or leaven, and baked in a well-heated oven, are both wholesome and palatable. {MH 301.2}

Now I suppose you could take it to mean that the alcohol is not the concern but the yeast germs which survive the 350 degree oven! You probably cue in on "so far as possible" and intend it to mean that some are not destroyed. Then you cue in on "made of wheaten meal without yeast" and intend it to mean, see, no yeast germs! But you neglect to read "or leaven", and ignore that without yeast, no alcohol is produced.

If you still insist that yeast can survive 350 degrees, but dies within two days at room temperature, maybe you can apply for a patent for the ethanol fuel industry? It would be a great boon for production at distillation temperatures.

kland,

This continues to be off-topic.

It appears you found one of the better Ellen White statements on the subject. You are right that yeast would not last long at 350 degrees Fahrenheit. The problem is, you are mistaken about the temperature which the yeast actually endures. The core temperature of the bread likely never exceeds the boiling temperature of water. If it did, your bread would come out awfully dry. Do you know what zwieback is? It is a very dry form of bread. If you made zwieback out of your fresh bread, I don't think anyone would fault you for eating it on day one--fresh from the oven. I'm quite sure the yeast would be killed in that case. But the kind of fresh bread most people like is still soft and moist. In such a condition, the core temperature of the bread never exceeded the boiling temperature of water--else the water would have been boiled out already, and gone.

To use another illustration, people can survive boiling temperatures just fine. Read the excerpted material below. [NOTE: I added the bracketed Fahrenheit temperatures.]


[The full article, which speaks of sauna deaths and competitions as well, can be found HERE.]

If people can withstand 230 degree temperatures for more than a quarter of an hour, what makes you think yeast could not?

Mrs. White's statement is clear that it is because of the yeast that people should not eat fresh bread. One should eat the bread after a day to reduce the risk of yeast "germs" growing in the gut.

Again, alcohol boils at 160 degrees Fahrenheit. All the alcohol must be boiled away before the temperature can rise to its next plateau at 212 degrees, water's boiling temperature. The core temperature of the bread likely never rises much above this temperature. So, yes, the concern with fresh bread is the yeast, not the alcohol. Mrs. White never mentions any issue with alcohol in the bread--not a word. She does expressly name the yeast, and speaks of its "germs" not its "alcohol." She does not mention drunkenness. She mentions "digestion."

From the cook's corner (see article HERE):




Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

For more on sauna heat:



The source is the article that Green cited.