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Re: APL believes Jesus commanded murder. Is he right?
[Re: Green Cochoa]
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There isn't only one grounds for divorce. But what has any of this got to do with murder and your belief that Jesus commanded murder? or your belief that Jesus commanded divorce? Are you now saying that you believe Jesus commanded celibacy?
I've spoken with a number of people who have used drugs like marijuana in the past. They seem unable to keep their minds on a specific topic. They jump from one point to another in an unrelated jumble of thoughts. This topic reminds me of such.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa. Perhaps your mind is clouded? Re-read the OP by MM, and the accusations made.
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Re: APL believes Jesus commanded murder. Is he right?
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APL further explains his belief by arguing Jesus also commanded other unlawful acts - such as divorce and polygamy. Where did Jesus command this?
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Re: APL believes Jesus commanded murder. Is he right?
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APL further explains his belief by arguing Jesus also commanded other unlawful acts - such as divorce and polygamy. Where did Jesus command this? You would need to ask MM as he is the one making this accusation.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: APL believes Jesus commanded murder. Is he right?
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APL believes Jesus commanded murder. Is he right? For example, Jesus commanded holy men of God, like Moses, Joshua, Samuel, etc to kill criminals and enemy combatants. APL labels it murder. Is he right?
I didn't know you were with Green on this murder/killing thing. He and James cannot or will not clearly and concisely distinguish the difference between murder and killing. Can you?
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Re: APL believes Jesus commanded murder. Is he right?
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APL believes Jesus commanded murder. Is he right? For example, Jesus commanded holy men of God, like Moses, Joshua, Samuel, etc to kill criminals and enemy combatants. APL labels it murder. Is he right?
I didn't know you were with Green on this murder/killing thing. He and James cannot or will not clearly and concisely distinguish the difference between murder and killing. Can you? That's a false charge. I can, will, and have. Your inability to grasp does not equal an inability on my part to distinguish. Even the courts of today distinguish between "involuntary manslaughter" and "capital punishment" and "enemy combat" in war and "murder." There are different categories of "killing," to include the distinctions between man and beast as well. Do you, kland, disavow any and all such distinctions? Do you believe that it is a sin for any earthly government to put away sin via capital punishment in the case of heinous crimes? More importantly: Do you believe God is against capital punishment? Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: APL believes Jesus commanded murder. Is he right?
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Even the courts of today distinguish between "involuntary manslaughter" and "capital punishment" and "enemy combat" in war and "murder." There are different categories of "killing," to include the distinctions between man and beast as well. "Even the courts of today". And there in lies the problem, if that is what you base your beliefs on. If that is your belief, then war is OK, as it is state sanctioned killing (murder). Jesus said, "my kingdom is not of this world". If Christ's kingdom was of this world, then His disciples would fight. It is really hard to accept turning the other cheek, isn't it... War is murder. That is what MM has a problem with.
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Re: APL believes Jesus commanded murder. Is he right?
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War is murder. That is what MM has a problem with. But don't you believe that God required Saul to kill the Amalekites?
By God's grace,
Arnold
1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: APL believes Jesus commanded murder. Is he right?
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Green, do you know what clearly and concisely means? Maybe MM does.
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Re: APL believes Jesus commanded murder. Is he right?
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War is murder. That is what MM has a problem with. But don't you believe that God required Saul to kill the Amalekites? Back up some - were the Israelites suppose to take the promised land by warfare, was that what God wanted? MM say yes. EGW says no. Where the Israelites ever supposed to have a king????? NO.
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Re: APL believes Jesus commanded murder. Is he right?
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APL, I'm not surprised you believe you are right in saying Jesus commanded murder. Neither am I surprised Kland agrees with you. It would be nice, however, if you would post passages you believe support your belief. You seem to reject the idea that God commanded King Saul to kill King Agag.
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