MM - have I said the Bible was not true? Saul had his commands, he did not follow through and do them. He was in rebellion just as Israel had been since leaving Egypt. IF Israel had followed God's commands, they would have NEVER have had a need to fight. IF Israel had followed God, they NEVER would have had a king, do you agree or not? Their need to fight was a result of rebellion and rejection of God as their leader. And did their fighting make them a great nation? Did they accomplish that which God had planned for them? What was the final result of their rebellion? The 70 week prophesy tells us.

I'm glad you see it as a DEMAND. You want to use FORCE to get me to comply to submit to your DEMANDS. I ask of you to see the whole picture that Bible is showing, but I can't make you.


Here is an example of blindness green, and MM. MM claims that God wanted Israel to fight their way into Canaan. EGW in this quote explicitely states that they were NEVER to fight their way into Canaan.

The night was spent in lamentation, but with the morning came a hope. They resolved to redeem their cowardice. When God had bidden them go up and take the land, they had refused; and now when He directed them to retreat they were equally rebellious. They determined to seize upon the land and possess it; it might be that God would accept their work and change His purpose toward them. {PP 392.2}

God had made it their privilege and their duty to enter the land at the time of His appointment, but through their willful neglect that permission had been withdrawn. Satan had gained his object in preventing them from entering Canaan; and now he urged them on to do the very thing, in the face of the divine prohibition, which they had refused to do when God required it. Thus the great deceiver gained the victory by leading them to rebellion the second time. They had distrusted the power of God to work with their efforts in gaining possession of Canaan; yet now they presumed upon their own strength to accomplish the work independent of divine aid. "We have sinned against the Lord," they cried; "we will go up and fight, according to all that the Lord our God commanded us." Deuteronomy 1:41. So terribly blinded had they become by transgression. The Lord had never commanded them to "go up and fight." It was not His purpose that they should gain the land by warfare, but by strict obedience to His commands. {PP 392.3}

Follow the flow:
1) God told them to go up and take the land. It was their priilege and their duty to enter the land!
2) The people refused.
3) God told them then to retreat. Through willful neglect, that permission was withdrawn.
4) The people now determined to seize the land and possess it. Satan now urged them to do the very thing they had refused to do when God required it and now they were in rebellion again as God has withdrawn that permission. The people had distrusted God, but were now going to use their own words to win favor with God. Salvation by works, not by faith
5) The people stated the had sinned, and declared, "we will go up and fight, according to all the Lord our God commanded us"! But they were blinded by their transgression. The Lord had never, NEVER, not now, or before when He told them to go up and possess the land, to "go up and fight". It was NEVER His purpose that they should gain the land by warfare.

So who is blind to this fact? Am I blind? Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son!

NOW - What is God going to do with a people that are continually in rebellion? A people who refuse to follow His methods and laws? Did God abandon Israel at this time? No.
Read Ezekiel 20 today.

But you have not distinguished between the two. Saying Jesus can murder with impunity or Jesus can kill with impunity is saying the exact same thing, and then saying Jesus is not guilty of murder or killing.


But your quotes doesn't make it distinct. It just says you shouldn't do it.

You have shown no distinction. You just say murder is unlawful, but killing the murderer is not. Ok, but what is murder?

Or are you saying, what you did not highlight, that a murderer is only one who:
Smites with an instrument of iron.
Smites by throwing a stone.
Smites with a weapon of wood.
Thrusts at him of hatred or hurl at him by laying of wait.
Smite with hand in enmity.

That is, if you use lead instead of iron or wood, throw a computer monitor instead of stone, thrust with envy instead of hatred, or shoot instead of using your hand, stab instead of hurling while laying in wait, or any other variations, then that is not murder?

Of interest, consider the part, "laying in wait". Laying in wait and hurling lightning bolts from heaven....?

Only by these things can we consider someone guilty of murder?
If not, then what? Please distinguish between killing and murder. Because you are "refusing to comply with my demands".
And the demands of starting such a thread.

As I expected, you have taken the "sidestep" route.

What do you have to say about Agag?

1) Did God command that Agag be killed?
2) Did Samuel sin in killing Agag?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Have I ever said the Bible was not true??????? No. My repeated question to you, and MM and others is WHY did these things happen???? MM believes that Israel was always supposed to fight, use arms to kill the Canaanites. He denies that the people were never supposed to fight. Do you also deny this truth????? I think you do deny it.

You twist and parry again. I never said anything about you saying the Bible was not true. Why all the question marks about that one? You again reference the Canaanites. You have yet to answer regarding Agag. I could talk about the Canaanites, but then you would switch to divorce. If I talk about divorce, you'll switch to something else. Right now, let's stick to Agag.

It is only because you are not willing to face the truth head on that you must try to twist and change the topic every time the truth confronts you.

Think about that.

If you have some honor, answer the questions about Agag.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

You still have not complied with my demands. Please do so. Do not post anything else here until you do.

Jesus commands, requires many things of us:


Jesus demands love and obedience.

Kland, murder is unlawful. Killing murderers is lawful. Jesus treats the two differently. The distinction is biblical - murder is unlawful; killing murderers is lawful. The distinction has to do with law and justice. The law is a transcript of His character.

Also, your continual refusal to address LDE 241.2 is telling. It raises suspicion.