"APL believes Jesus commanded murder. Is he right? For example, Jesus commanded holy men of God, like Moses, Joshua, Samuel, etc to kill criminals and enemy combatants. APL labels it murder. Is he right?"

Of course not.

Murder and killing are two completely different actions. Murder is undeserved and killing is deserved.

Again, God can read the hearts of men and rightly discern what action is proper. And since has always wanted to saved life, He would never murder anyone.

Consequently, since all that exist is created by God, and all that exist is owned and maintained by God, all who reject God must be killed because there isn't anywhere for these people to live happy lives. Light and darkness can never co-exist!

Kland, your accusation is groundless. We have repeatedly addressed your concern over the distinction between killing and murder. You have refused to respond. Jesus can do things we cannot do. Jesus can kill with impunity. Even you agree. You believe Jesus withdraws His protection and permits nature, evil men, and evil angels to murder. You seem to think so long as someone or some thing else is doing the murdering Jesus is free of responsibility. However, you are quick to agree if we did the same thing we would be guilty of first degree murder. So, you see, you yourself make a clear and definite distinction between right and wrong. However, we disagree on your definition of murder. I do not agree with you that Jesus commanded murder or permits murder.

APL believes Jesus commanded murder. Is he right? For example, Jesus commanded holy men of God, like Moses, Joshua, Samuel, etc to kill criminals and enemy combatants. APL labels it murder. Is he right?

APL further explains his belief by arguing Jesus also commanded other unlawful acts - such as divorce and polygamy. Is he right? Did Jesus command people to do unlawful things?

"APL believes Jesus commanded murder. Is he right? For example, Jesus commanded holy men of God, like Moses, Joshua, Samuel, etc to kill criminals and enemy combatants. APL labels it murder. Is he right?"

Of course not.

Murder and killing are two completely different actions. Murder is undeserved and killing is deserved.

Again, God can read the hearts of men and rightly discern what action is proper. And since has always wanted to saved life, He would never murder anyone.

Consequently, since all that exist is created by God, and all that exist is owned and maintained by God, all who reject God must be killed because there isn't anywhere for these people to live happy lives. Light and darkness can never co-exist!

APL, you have not actually said - I believe Jesus commanded King Saul to kill men, women, children, and infants. Do you?

The truth is - You have never posted a passage you believe depicts Jesus commanded killing criminals and combatants. Please do so.

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MM makes the statement in the title of this thread, then asks me to prove it. I find that interesting...

God gave instructions for divorce: true or false? TRUE. Does this mean that God condones, desires, wants, approves of divorce? NO. God HATES divorce. Yet, He did give instructions for divorce. WHY? MM things this is an irrelevant question, and so dismisses it. It is not irrelevant, and is in fact revelatory as to how God works with those the refuse to fully follow Him, those that reject Him, those that despise Him.

The history of Israel is one of constant lack of faith and rebellion. The fact that Israel had a king showed a rejection of God. Yet God did not abandon them. The instructions that God gave Israel were often to reduce the damage of their wayward, faithless ways. And people look at this and say, YES - that is what God wants! He commanded it. That proves it! NO, it does not.

A modern metaphor is of Godly parents with a promiscuous child. They could let the child run wild, or they can inform the child of methods to minimize the damage his actions are leading to. Informing a child of barrier methods, and birth control in no ways means the parents wholly approve of the direction, goals and actions of the child.

The people demanded meat in the wilderness. God gave them that which was not good for them. Many died! Does this mean that God approves of the meat HE gave them? Not in the least! Read the Bible as a whole.

The plea may be made that a loving Father would not see His children suffering the punishment of God by fire while He had the power to relieve them. But God would, for the good of His subjects and for their safety, punish the transgressor. God does not work on the plan of man. He can do infinite justice that man has no right to do before his fellow man. Noah would have displeased God to have drowned one of the scoffers and mockers that harassed him, but God drowned the vast world. Lot would have had no right to inflict punishment on his sons-in-law, but God would do it in strict justice. {LDE 241.2}

Numbers
35:15 These six cities shall be a refuge, [both] for the children of Israel, and for the stranger, and for the sojourner among them: that every one that killeth any person unawares may flee thither.
35:16 And if he smite him with an instrument of iron, so that he die, he [is] a murderer: the murderer shall surely be put to death.
35:17 And if he smite him with throwing a stone, wherewith he may die, and he die, he [is] a murderer: the murderer shall surely be put to death.
35:18 Or [if] he smite him with an hand weapon of wood, wherewith he may die, and he die, he [is] a murderer: the murderer shall surely be put to death.
35:19 The revenger of blood himself shall slay the murderer: when he meeteth him, he shall slay him.
35:20 But if he thrust him of hatred, or hurl at him by laying of wait, that he die;
35:21 Or in enmity smite him with his hand, that he die: he that smote [him] shall surely be put to death; [for] he [is] a murderer: the revenger of blood shall slay the murderer, when he meeteth him.
35:22 But if he thrust him suddenly without enmity, or have cast upon him any thing without laying of wait,
35:23 Or with any stone, wherewith a man may die, seeing [him] not, and cast [it] upon him, that he die, and [was] not his enemy, neither sought his harm:
35:24 Then the congregation shall judge between the slayer and the revenger of blood according to these judgments:
35:25 And the congregation shall deliver the slayer out of the hand of the revenger of blood, and the congregation shall restore him to the city of his refuge, whither he was fled: and he shall abide in it unto the death of the high priest, which was anointed with the holy oil.
35:26 But if the slayer shall at any time come without the border of the city of his refuge, whither he was fled;
35:27 And the revenger of blood find him without the borders of the city of his refuge, and the revenger of blood kill the slayer; he shall not be guilty of blood:
35:28 Because he should have remained in the city of his refuge until the death of the high priest: but after the death of the high priest the slayer shall return into the land of his possession.
35:29 So these [things] shall be for a statute of judgment unto you throughout your generations in all your dwellings.