Not to mention that you are directly contradicting what the servant of the Lord (Ellen White) said about Josiah Litch's discovery...

"At the very time specified, Turkey, through her ambassadors, accepted the protection of the allied powers of Europe, and thus placed herself under the control of Christian nationsThe event exactly fulfilled the prediction. When it became known, multitudes were convinced of the correctness of the principles of prophetic interpretation adopted by Miller and his associates, and a wonderful impetus was given to the advent movement. Men of learning and position united with Miller, both in preaching and in publishing his views, and from 1840 to 1844 the work rapidly extended. {GC 335.1}

Mrs White said directly in the Desire of Ages that this was a "fulfillment of prophecy", but you know better than she did?

I'm sad right now. The most promissing are falling short.

It's a generic term "we". If one says "I" too much there is a tendency to let "self" rear it's ugly head.

"We" is just a generic term. When "I" is used too much there is tendency for "Self" to rear it's head too often

But when talking about our faith there is nothing wrong about speaking in the singular, because we are speaking as a witness to our personal faith.

If you say "we" you sound like you are speaking for others also, which is completely irregular if speaking only for yourself. I have to teach these subtle English nuences to my Indonesian wife all the time.

The only way that the term "We" works,is if you are possessed by a demon. God doesn't require us to say "we" unless we are possessed. Example "we are legion".

Does God lead anyone to great disappointment? 1 Tim. 4:1-2

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He not only lead us to it, He lead us through it, and it was foretold almost 2000 years earlier...

Revelation 10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book (the 2300 year sealed time prophecy in Daniel). And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.

Was the death of Jesus a disappointment to the disciples? Very much so Until the truth of what happened was revealed. Our perceptions limit our understandings. The greatest event in the history of mankind had just taken place and those closest to Jesus were giving up on Him...strike the shephard and the sheep will scatter.

"The subject of the sanctuary was the key which unlocked the mystery of the disappointment of 1844. It opened to view a complete system of truth, connected and harmonious, showing that God’s hand had directed the great advent movement and revealing present duty as it brought to light the position and work of His people. As the disciples of Jesus after the terrible night of their anguish and disappointment were “glad when they saw the Lord,” so did those now rejoice who had looked in faith for His second coming. They had expected Him to appear in glory to give reward to His servants. As their hopes were disappointed, they had lost sight of Jesus, and with Mary at the sepulcher they cried: “They have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid Him.” Now in the holy of holies they again beheld Him, their compassionate High Priest, soon to appear as their king and deliverer. Light from the sanctuary illumined the past, the present, and the future. They knew that God had led them by His unerring providence. Though, like the first disciples, they themselves had failed to understand the message which they bore, yet it had been in every respect correct. In proclaiming it they had fulfilled the purpose of God, and their labor had not been in vain in the Lord. Begotten “again unto a lively hope,” they rejoiced “with joy unspeakable and full of glory.” {CIHS 101.1}
Both the prophecy of Daniel 8:14, “Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed,” and the first angel’s message, “Fear God, and give glory to Him; for the hour of His judgment is come,” pointed to Christ’s ministration in the most holy place, to the investigative judgment, and not to the coming of Christ for the redemption of His people and the destruction of the wicked. The mistake had not been in the reckoning of the prophetic periods, but in the event to take place at the end of the 2300 days. Through this error the believers had suffered disappointment, yet all that was foretold by the prophecy, and all that they had any Scripture warrant to expect, had been accomplished. At the very time when they were lamenting the failure of their hopes, the event had taken place which was foretold by the message, and which must be fulfilled before the Lord could appear to give reward to His servants. {CIHS 101.2}
Christ had come, not to the earth, as they expected, but, as foreshadowed in the type, to the most holy place of the temple of God in heaven. He is represented by the prophet Daniel as coming at this time to the Ancient of Days: “I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came”—not to the earth, but—“to the Ancient of Days, and they brought Him near before Him.” Daniel 7:13. {CIHS 102.1}
This coming is foretold also by the prophet Malachi: “The Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to His temple, even the Messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, He shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.” Malachi 3:1. The coming of the Lord to His temple was sudden, unexpected, to His people. They were not looking for Him there. They expected Him to come to earth, “in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel.” 2 Thessalonians 1:8. {CIHS 102.2}
But the people were not yet ready to meet their Lord. There was still a work of preparation to be accomplished for them. Light was to be given, directing their minds to the temple of God in heaven; and as they should by faith follow their High Priest in His ministration there, new duties would be revealed. Another message of warning and instruction was to be given to the church." {CIHS 102.3}

Well, David Gates makes a similar application to Joel 2, and he could be right. Likely you aren't the only one with this view on Revelation 9.

I have issues though as I mentioned, with denying the historic, day for year principle here. The day for year method was the key that unlocked the great time periods of prophecy. You are not rejecting it wholesale. You still use it for the 1260 days right but you reject it in the fifth trumpet. We'll have to disagree here.

Regarding men seeking death, those who seek it are those who do not have the seal. You suggest these are the new converts because it's the 144000 who are sealed. But contextually that is straining the meaning too far in my view. The idea being conveyed is that the unsealed are being tormented for their evil works, likely by complying with and promoting the mark of the beast.

Thank you very much for sharing that. It stimulated my thinking. Some of what you wrote is worth further study but I think overall this view strains the intended meaning.

I would say the fall of Constantinople was not Papal Rome, although it was very much like Papal Rome. I believe the fall of Constantinople was one of the trumpets.

Can I ask help with another EGW statement?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHHuTUvF8m8

In this video, between the time of 39:00 and 40:30, Brothers Wieland and Douglass mention a statement from Ellen White about Jesus coming by 1893. They mention one reference, The General Conference Bulletin 1893 pg. 419. But, I don't have that in my software and the best I found online is this; http://egwtext.whiteestate.org/publicati...p;pagenumber=67


I am not finding anything like they mentioned.

"Thank you very much for sharing that. It stimulated my thinking. Some of what you wrote is worth further study but I think overall this view strains the intended meaning."

No problem. This issue is one of the "deeper" issues we have in Revelation that is for sure. All we can do is keep going before Him in prayer to be revealed His truths.