Maybe I'm slow, but it's starting to dawn on me that you subscribe more to believing Jesus is the dictator type then even I envisioned you to.

Are you saying the difference between murder and killing is that murder is unlawful, and killing murderers is lawful? And why is one lawful and one not? Because the dictator says so? Or because you say so?

Regardless of your lack of distinction, if the only killing that is lawful is to kill murderers (only definition you make here is killing those who kill others), then what about at the end of the world? You are saying Jesus is a murderer because He is killing some who have not killed others!

And, by the way, you have just supported that you believe Jesus commanded murder. Because you believe Jesus commanded people to kill others: others who have not killed others.



Demands?!

Are you treating APL as you see Jesus treating people? If they don't meet His Demands, then away with them? If you could, would you set APL on fire, or otherwise cause pain, suffering and death to him? Just like Hitler satan would do?

Until recently, I thought you were. Now it seems only kland is, and possibly Johann.

Note that my 2 non-events are unfolding exactly as I predicted: you distinguish between killing and murder but are too evasive to say it clearly, and kland is too scared to confront you about it as he does MM and others.

I'll add another prediction: Johann has been supporting your teachings, but is now wary because you believe God commanded Saul to kill. However, he will sit back and watch, rather than question you directly about your relationship with God as he does MM and others.

This is a day of honoring our Creator rather than accusing each other.

APL and Kland have been attempting to share with us a glorious picture of a living but maligned God. Just make an attempt to understand in humility and you will never forget the experience.

MM - you have written a wonderful book about your own experience. Revive your experience and grow in the knowledge of Him Who has redeemed you.

Some of you have now for years been dealing with wonderful prophecies which deal with God. Don´t forget to have a living relationship with Him who has foretold and fulfilled. Keep your tracks clean and clear and ask for the Guidance of the Holy Spirit in your personal lives so that you will be ready to meet Jesus who is coming soon.

What are you trying to accomplish?

asygo - you nor MM seem to understand God's permissive will. I read the following just a few minutes ago posted on facebook today, which describes God's permissive will has I have tried in the past:

God will give instructions in wrath, in giving over to perverse human choices. It is like you would instruct a teenage daughter of age, who has decided to live promiscuously, to always use protection. You don't believe in what she is doing, but you try to preserve her within her own faulty choices, while praying she will come out of it. That is what love does. God is doing the same thing. The reason He can instruct the Israelites in the use of the sword and not protect the heathen nation is because the heathen have rejected Him to the full cup. If the Israelites did not decimate them, they would be given over to other forces, such as "the hornet," as the Bible says. The times when Israel became apostate, God gave them over to the heathen, to destroy them. The degree of giving over is all relative to the level of rejection of God/wickedness.


God gives commands instructions which are not His ideal, to work with us perverse humans. He has done this in war and relationships such as polygamy and divorce. But what it God's ideal??? Look At Jesus! What did He say about fighting? Tooth for tooth? NO. Turn the other cheek. To not fight back. Divorce God hates. Jesus is the truth. If we really want to know what God's character is like, Jesus in his life on this planet has displayed it. We need to understand the OT from the framework of Jesus.