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Re: Some signs will happen again? [Re: jamesonofthunder] #161094
01/31/14 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted By: jamesonofthunder
I'm sorry Godsloveandlaw but I had to reread this several times to make sure I wasn't misreading this but are you trying to say that Abaddon and Apolyon are Jesus? Are you being genuine or is this a joke?

You see Godsloveandlaw saying Jesus is the destroyer is wrong. However, is it really all that different from you other than in degree? Is he just an exaggerated or "more advanced" you?

Re: Some signs will happen again? [Re: Alchemy] #161104
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Originally Posted By: Alchemy
Can I ask help with another EGW statement?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHHuTUvF8m8

In this video, between the time of 39:00 and 40:30, Brothers Wieland and Douglass mention a statement from Ellen White about Jesus coming by 1893. They mention one reference, The General Conference Bulletin 1893 pg. 419. But, I don't have that in my software and the best I found online is this; http://egwtext.whiteestate.org/publicati...p;pagenumber=67


I am not finding anything like they mentioned.


Here is the quote you are looking for, given in 1883 and repeated in Minneapolis in 1888.

"Had Adventists, after the great disappointment in 1844, held fast their faith, and followed on unitedly in the opening providence of God, receiving the message of the third angel and in the power of the Holy Spirit proclaiming it to the world, they would have seen the salvation of God, the Lord would have wrought mightily with their efforts, the work would have been completed, and Christ would have come ere this to receive His people to their reward. {1SM 68.1}
But in the period of doubt and uncertainty that followed the disappointment, many of the advent believers yielded their faith. Dissensions and divisions came in. The majority opposed with voice and pen the few who, following in the providence of God, received the Sabbath reform and began to proclaim the third angel’s message (sound familliar?). Many who should have devoted their time and talents to the one purpose of sounding warning to the world, were absorbed in opposing the Sabbath truth, and in turn, the labor of its advocates was necessarily spent in answering these opponents and defending the truth. Thus the work was hindered, and the world was left in darkness. Had the whole Adventist body united upon the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, how widely different would have been our history! {1SM 68.2}
It was not the will of God that the coming of Christ should be thus delayed. God did not design that His people, Israel, should wander forty years in the wilderness. He promised to lead them directly to the land of Canaan, and establish them there a holy, healthy, happy people. But those to whom it was first preached, went not in “because of unbelief” (Hebrews 3:19). Their hearts were filled with murmuring, rebellion, and hatred, and He could not fulfill His covenant with them. {1SM 68.3}
For forty years did unbelief, murmuring, and rebellion shut out ancient Israel from the land of Canaan. The same sins have delayed the entrance of modern Israel into the heavenly Canaan. In neither case were the promises of God at fault. It is the unbelief, the worldliness, unconsecration, and strife among the Lord’s professed people that have kept us in this world of sin and sorrow so many years." {1SM 69.1}

So God gives the story of the Hebrews and their judgment as an example of what the church is doing today and our judgment.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Some signs will happen again? [Re: kland] #161108
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Originally Posted By: kland
Originally Posted By: jamesonofthunder
I'm sorry Godsloveandlaw but I had to reread this several times to make sure I wasn't misreading this but are you trying to say that Abaddon and Apolyon are Jesus? Are you being genuine or is this a joke?

You see Godsloveandlaw saying Jesus is the destroyer is wrong. However, is it really all that different from you other than in degree? Is he just an exaggerated or "more advanced" you?


After reading his take on Aployon and Abaddon I was beginning to think Godsloveandlaw is you under a different name, trying to make a point through sarcasm. Especially after this last comment.

No, what he is saying is not the same as what I was inspired to comment.

The "Abaddon" prophecy is specific, it is a time prophecy about "A" destroyer. Jesus is called satan's destroyer because sin was caused by Satan. The cleansing fires of hell come in consequence to men destroying themselves but they are commissioned by and executed by the creator.

"Christ had entered the world as Satan’s destroyer and the Redeemer of the captives bound by his power. He would leave an example in His own victorious life for man to follow, and thus overcome the temptations of Satan." {Con 36.1}

Have you ever heard the saying from your earthly father "I brought you into this world, and I can take you out". There is a logic there that is applicable to our heavenly Father only.

"The divine sentence, “Dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return,” points to the utter extinction of life." {DD 14.2}


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Some signs will happen again? [Re: jamesonofthunder] #161109
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That one quote proves how wrong you are Kland and this conversation gave me the motivation to find this quote.

"Christ had entered the world as Satan’s destroyer and the Redeemer of the captives bound by his power. He would leave an example in His own victorious life for man to follow, and thus overcome the temptations of Satan. {Con 36.1}

“By the word of Thy lips I have kept me from the paths of the destroyer.” Psalm 119:11; 17:4

Two different uses of the word destroyer.

Because Satan brought destruction into the world, he must be destroyed. So Jesus is the destroyer of the destroyer, and in this He remains perfectly righteous.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Some signs will happen again? [Re: jamesonofthunder] #161110
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Abaddon and Apolyon are names for Satan but in the quote in quoestion it specifically relates to those who are used to destroy Rome; do you disagree with this Kland or are you only here to disagree with me?

Satan destroyed Rome, first by false doctrines, then Satan destroyed the institution. You should relate to that Kland. Even in this God preserved their lives saying they should "hurt not"... giving boundaries that He would permit.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Some signs will happen again? [Re: jamesonofthunder] #161121
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To date all of the retribution of God has been mixed with mercy because of His restraint, but in the very end, they suffer their own wrath and the wrath of God in the pain His Son felt. Jesus suffered the wrath of God mixed with His righteous unsullied character which was both a blessing in that He did not deserve it, and a curse because of His sensitivity to sin. Every sin that Jesus had to carry hurt Him several billion times more than we could ever feel in this lifetime. Those in the second death will feel that pain without having His righteous character to shield them. They have blood squeezed from their pores just like Jesus in Gethsemane. This I was shown directly from the Father and have found ample support in the testimonies and scripture since.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Some signs will happen again? [Re: jamesonofthunder] #161122
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"Little did the Jews realize the terrible responsibility involved in rejecting Christ. From the time when the first innocent blood was shed, when righteous Abel fell by the hand of Cain, the same history had been repeated, with increasing guilt. In every age prophets had lifted up their voices against the sins of kings, rulers, and people, speaking the words which God gave them, and obeying His will at the peril of their lives. From generation to generation there had been heaping up a terrible punishment for the rejecters of light and truth. This the enemies of Christ were now drawing down upon their own heads. The sin of the priests and rulers was greater than that of any preceding generation. By their rejection of the Saviour, they were making themselves responsible for the blood of all the righteous men slain from Abel to Christ. They were about to fill to overflowing their cup of iniquity. And soon it was to be poured upon their heads in retributive justice. Of this, Jesus warned them: {DA 618.3}
“That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.” {DA 619.1}

How important now do you think it is that we are following the true interpretation of the word of God and filled with the true Spirit of Prophecy?

Woe to the Pharisees calling themselves Seventh Day Adventist worshippers but trying to conform the church to their image in these last days.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Some signs will happen again? [Re: jamesonofthunder] #161123
02/01/14 01:23 AM
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Thanks James,

I am aware of this statement. Maybe they were referring to this statement in some way, but I didn't realize it.

But, I am really trying to find the General Conference Bulletin, 1893 pages 418 - 420 for context.

Re: Some signs will happen again? [Re: jamesonofthunder] #161124
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Excellent post James.

Re: Some signs will happen again? [Re: jamesonofthunder] #161125
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2 Samuel 1:14 And David said unto him, How wast thou not afraid to stretch forth thine hand to destroy the Lord's anointed?

15 And David called one of the young men, and said, Go near, and fall upon him. And he smote him that he died.

16 And David said unto him, Thy blood be upon thy head; for thy mouth hath testified against thee, saying, I have slain the Lord's anointed.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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