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Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series
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02/15/14 03:11 AM
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And if God did not forbid eating the fruit, could Adam have disobeyed?
By God's grace,
Arnold
1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series
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Hm - any deviation ends in death I told you that long ago. I told you to listen to my sermon. But research might not be your strong point. Anyway, glad you've learned something new. As for execution, that's one way death can come. Negligence is another. How you choose to think about it is up to you, as long as you believe that God is in control, not a hapless bystander.
By God's grace,
Arnold
1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series
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02/15/14 04:57 AM
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Hm - any deviation ends in death I told you that long ago. I told you to listen to my sermon. But research might not be your strong point. Anyway, glad you've learned something new. As for execution, that's one way death can come. Negligence is another. How you choose to think about it is up to you, as long as you believe that God is in control, not a hapless bystander. The most important death for us creatures is the second death. God is not the executioner. As for God is in control, then are you saying all rapes are God's will? God is in control, right?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series
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02/15/14 07:28 AM
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Hm - any deviation ends in death I told you that long ago. I told you to listen to my sermon. But research might not be your strong point. Anyway, glad you've learned something new. As for execution, that's one way death can come. Negligence is another. How you choose to think about it is up to you, as long as you believe that God is in control, not a hapless bystander. The most important death for us creatures is the second death. God is not the executioner. As for God is in control, then are you saying all rapes are God's will? God is in control, right? Yes, God is in control. Always. Are rapes God's will? Not ideally. But there are cases when it is better than the alternative. For example, is it God's will that Satan suffer all these millennia in his sin? No, but this is the best way to go. Just because we don't know why rape may be better, doesn't mean God doesn't. Just because we don't know why killing the Amalekites is better, doesn't mean God doesn't. Just because we don't know why sinners suffering many days in fire is better, doesn't mean God doesn't. But we must trust that in the end, God does what's best even if we don't understand now. And God's options are not limited by our understanding.
By God's grace,
Arnold
1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series
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02/15/14 02:36 PM
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Are rapes God's will? Not ideally. But there are cases when it is better than the alternative. Ah - are not the alternatives under God's control too? If God will in being done, then ALL bad things are God's will. But guess what, the Lord's Prayer shows that God's will is not being done on this earth all the time, for we must pray for it to happen.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series
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02/15/14 03:49 PM
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Are rapes God's will? Not ideally. But there are cases when it is better than the alternative. Ah - are not the alternatives under God's control too? If God will in being done, then ALL bad things are God's will. But guess what, the Lord's Prayer shows that God's will is not being done on this earth all the time, for we must pray for it to happen. God wants all to be saved, but that's not going to happen. Is He still in control or is He a hapless, impotent bystander as events pass before Him? Can't He force the issue and remove all the pain and suffering of sin? He can, but the price will be a sterile universe of loveless automatons. So, God chooses the more painful but more loving option. God is love, and that doesn't mean painless. Just because God chooses options that are unpalatable or incomprehensible to sinful humans doesn't mean He has relinquished control.
By God's grace,
Arnold
1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series
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02/15/14 03:52 PM
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Hm - any deviation ends in death I told you that long ago. I told you to listen to my sermon. But research might not be your strong point. Anyway, glad you've learned something new. As for execution, that's one way death can come. Negligence is another. How you choose to think about it is up to you, as long as you believe that God is in control, not a hapless bystander. The most important death for us creatures is the second death. God is not the executioner. Does everyone die at the same time? Isn't sin a quick killer? How does any sinner manage to make it to the 3rd coming?
By God's grace,
Arnold
1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series
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02/21/14 11:48 PM
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What's the difference between the second death and any other death? Hm - any deviation ends in death I told you that long ago. I told you to listen to my sermon. But research might not be your strong point. Anyway, glad you've learned something new. As for execution, that's one way death can come. Negligence is another. How you choose to think about it is up to you, as long as you believe that God is in control, not a hapless bystander. The most important death for us creatures is the second death. God is not the executioner. As for God is in control, then are you saying all rapes are God's will? God is in control, right?
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Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series
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02/22/14 05:58 PM
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What's the difference between the second death and any other death? All die the first death, with a few notable exceptions. In consequence of Adam's sin, death passed upon the whole human race. And through the provisions of the plan of salvation, all are to be brought forth from their graves. The second death is the death that the wicked die for their own sin, Ezekiel 18:20, the soul that sinneth, it shall die. Bonus question - which death did Christ taste for all ( Hebrews 2:9)
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series
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02/23/14 08:02 PM
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Aren't both types of death caused by genetic shortcomings?
By God's grace,
Arnold
1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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