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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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02/18/14 04:26 PM
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Should we be putting to death those that hate their brother? They are murderers.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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I think we are left with, what is your distinction between killing and murder? Kland, what is your distinction between killing and murder?
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1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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Should we be putting to death those that hate their brother? They are murderers. The Law of Moses reflects God's law and will. Capital punishment is God's will. He commanded it. Nowadays we are no longer God's chosen nation. We are no longer under a theocracy. We are God's chosen people. And, in particular, the SDA Church is God's chosen church. However, because we are under the dominion of world governments we are under obligation to obey their laws. Since the laws of the land forbid churches executing capital punishment, and because we are no longer under the theocracy, we do not execute capital punishment.
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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Should we be putting to death those that hate their brother? The fact is, that we can not determine who is a real murderer. The physical act is only one sign. There are many murderers. Perhaps some even here on the forum. Murder is not defined by the physical act.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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I think we are left with, what is your distinction between killing and murder? Kland, what is your distinction between killing and murder? What makes you think I make a distinction? Why do you think MM created a whole string of threads?
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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Kland, capital punishment cases are clearly outlined in the Law of Moses.
Weren't we talking about killing and murder? Why have you substituted capital punishment? Have you changed your thoughts? Are you now saying all those who kill people are murderers unless they are doing it for capital punishment?
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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Should we be putting to death those that hate their brother? They are murderers. The Law of Moses reflects God's law and will. Capital punishment is God's will. He commanded it. Nowadays we are no longer God's chosen nation. We are no longer under a theocracy. We are God's chosen people. And, in particular, the SDA Church is God's chosen church. However, because we are under the dominion of world governments we are under obligation to obey their laws. Since the laws of the land forbid churches executing capital punishment, and because we are no longer under the theocracy, we do not execute capital punishment. So are you saying, if it wasn't for our nation's laws, we should put to death others for capital punishment? That it would be God's will if we did? Are you also saying we should obey man's law of forbidding God's will of putting to death others we deem as hating their brother?
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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Should we be putting to death those that hate their brother? The fact is, that we can not determine who is a real murderer. The physical act is only one sign. There are many murderers. Perhaps some even here on the forum. Murder is not defined by the physical act. You have refused to confess Jesus commanded capital punishment. You are denying the Word of God.
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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M: Kland, capital punishment cases are clearly outlined in the Law of Moses.
K: Weren't we talking about killing and murder? Why have you substituted capital punishment? Have you changed your thoughts? Are you now saying all those who kill people are murderers unless they are doing it for capital punishment? Capital punishment means killing criminals according to the Law of Moses. It is not murder. A murderer is guilty of murder. The people who execute criminals are not guilty of murder. Jesus commanded killing criminals guilty of offenses worthy of capital punishment.
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