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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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02/26/14 02:15 AM
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Have you ever considered that you are basing your interpretation of scripture on tradition? Paul's religion was based on tradition. Paul knew the OT, and probably had memorized a good portion of it. What changed when he was converted? The scriptures? Nope. His understanding of the scriptures changed.
Question - What did God command when He brought them out of Egypt? And how did the people respond? It is a fascinating study...
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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You are ignoring the fact Jesus commanded capital punishment and combat. Doing so compromises everything you say. Nothing you say about it can be taken seriously.
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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02/26/14 05:32 PM
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You don't know anyone who says God didn't command killing. But you don't make a distinction between killing and murder? If so, that means you believe God commanded murder. That's noteworthy.
That is at least as unpalatable as the idea that we disobey God's commands in order to obey man's commands. Killing, murder, what's the difference? Do you really think it's not murder to go into a country and slaughter, men, women, and children? How is that not murder? But the question is, why did God command that. APL and Tom have answered that question many times. Why did God command what? Murder? Please specify so we are clear.
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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MM,
In my mind I am defending God as a God of love, a God of free choice, a God of restoring and not destroying, not forcing people to love Him, but allowing them of their own free choice choose life or death, and that death, not something that He directly and intentionally "punishes" them with, but as a natural result of their choice.
What about you? In your mind are you defending God as a god of force, a god of coercion, a Killer God? Why? Why do you need a God who is a premeditating, cold-blooded, killer?
Jesus commanded capital punishment. He commanded combat. You have not confessed these truths. You are denying the Word of God. 'MM, the fact you are unwilling to confess Jesus commanded murdering men, women, and children leaves you in the unenviable position of an unbeliever. You are denying the Word of God. You have not confessed these truths.'
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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You are ignoring the fact Jesus commanded capital punishment and combat. Doing so compromises everything you say. Nothing you say about it can be taken seriously. You ignore the fact that the people were never supposed to fight, and refuse to see how this true and confirmed by EGW and the Bible. You can not see how you are blinded to this truth.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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. . . Jesus commanded murdering men, women, and children . . . I disagree. Murder is against the law. Jesus commanded combat.
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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M: You are ignoring the fact Jesus commanded capital punishment and combat. Doing so compromises everything you say. Nothing you say about it can be taken seriously.
A: You ignore the fact that the people were never supposed to fight, and refuse to see how this true and confirmed by EGW and the Bible. You can not see how you are blinded to this truth. You are continuing to ignore the truth - Jesus commanded capital punishment and combat. The Jews didn't command it. It was Jesus who commanded it. There is zero evidence in the Bible or the SOP Jesus prohibited it.
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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Jesus commanded murdering men, women, and children... Would it have been a sin to obey that command?
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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02/27/14 04:52 AM
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It was a sin to disobey His command. King Saul found that out the hard way.
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