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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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01/21/14 03:58 AM
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Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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No - its is call the observational reference frame. It is valid to describe the universe from your own reference frame. It makes the math really tough, but it works, that is the point, it IS mathematically possible. And before you say this is all ignorance, take a course if physics. No, the earth goes around the sun, not the other way around though IT APPEARS as if the sun is going around the earth. It is silly therefore to speak of a geocentric universe as fact, when the definitive evidence relegates such a model to rubbish. I didn't know that APL spoke of a geocentric universe as fact.
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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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kland - - it is relative! :-) The argument that jp was saying that it is not mathematically possible, which whether he like it or not, is not true.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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I didn't know that APL spoke of a geocentric universe as fact. kland - - it is relative! :-) The argument that jp was saying that it is not mathematically possible, which whether he like it or not, is not true. See?  ///
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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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Mathematically, they are equivalent. Yes, one coordinate system yields much more elegant mathematics, but the results are equivalent. It's like deriving the formula for the area of a circle by integration: using Cartesian coordinates is more involved than using polar coordinates, but the formula is the same at the end.
Many people would say that even if the math was equivalent, the physics would be different. However, some big-time physicists have said otherwise. We'll see if the Higgs Boson gives us new insights. And it shouldn't be too surprising if advances in science prove the Bible true.
By God's grace,
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And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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Mathematically, they are equivalent. Yes, one coordinate system yields much more elegant mathematics, but the results are equivalent. It's like deriving the formula for the area of a circle by integration: using Cartesian coordinates is more involved than using polar coordinates, but the formula is the same at the end.
Many people would say that even if the math was equivalent, the physics would be different. However, some big-time physicists have said otherwise. We'll see if the Higgs Boson gives us new insights. And it shouldn't be too surprising if advances in science prove the Bible true. I believe science is proving the Bible true now. It is easier than ever to see "divine attributes" in nature that cause great issues the math can't even start to address.
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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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Mathematically, they are equivalent. Yes, one coordinate system yields much more elegant mathematics, but the results are equivalent. It's like deriving the formula for the area of a circle by integration: using Cartesian coordinates is more involved than using polar coordinates, but the formula is the same at the end.
Many people would say that even if the math was equivalent, the physics would be different. However, some big-time physicists have said otherwise. We'll see if the Higgs Boson gives us new insights. And it shouldn't be too surprising if advances in science prove the Bible true. You speak what is called mumbo-jumbo. If the sun is at the center of the earth's annual revolution and of all the planets as well, then in spite of what you see every day, the sun AND NOT THE EARTH is the center of the solar system. If you cannot fathom even that, then .... ///
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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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That made me laugh. Yes, many do call it mumbo-jumbo. But where I came from, we called it homework.
It's ok, you don't have to accept it. But it might not be a great idea to contradict Mach and Hoyle on the mumo-jumbo that happened to be their field of expertise.
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1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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One of the few valid questions evolutionists have is the size of the universe. Even though we can't judge these distances accurately, I do believe the universe is much larger than 6000 years of expansion.
Consequently, I simply trust God and accept the fact God could create such a huge universe in whatever time period He chose to take! And the fact that there isn't any possible naturalistic explanation for such a large universe proves the mighty miracle working power of the One True God!
You see, it is evolutionists that need to prove their points because they faithfully claim the answer is in nature. But, because of their lack of evidence they ask the questions instead substantiating their positions.
The problem with all these questions from evolutionists is that a lot of the questions are worthless at best. The good thing about all these questions from evolutionists is that there is still more evidence for creation than evolution.
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