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Re: God's love not unconditional [Re: APL] #162249
02/23/14 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted By: APL

God will forever remember those whom He has lost.


The fire that consumes the wicked purifies the earth. Every trace of the curse is swept away. No eternally burning hell will keep before the ransomed the fearful consequences of sin. {GC 674.1}
One reminder alone remains: Our Redeemer will ever bear the marks of His crucifixion. Upon His wounded head, upon His side, His hands and feet, are the only traces of the cruel work that sin has wrought. Says the prophet, beholding Christ in His glory: “He had bright beams coming out of His side: and there was the hiding of His power.” Habakkuk 3:4, margin. That pierced side whence flowed the crimson stream that reconciled man to God—there is the Saviour’s glory, there “the hiding of His power.” “Mighty to save,” through the sacrifice of redemption, He was therefore strong to execute justice upon them that despised God’s mercy. And the tokens of His humiliation are His highest honor; through the eternal ages the wounds of Calvary will show forth His praise and declare His power. {GC 674.2}


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: God's love not unconditional [Re: danielw] #162255
02/23/14 09:08 PM
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Yes, only one outward physical reminder will remain.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: God's love not unconditional [Re: APL] #162286
02/24/14 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted By: APL


God will forever remember those whom He has lost.


Ezekiel 21:32
King James Version (KJV)
32 Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the Lord have spoken it.

Jeremiah 31:34 "I will remember their sin no more."

If God can forget the sinful past of our lives, then what makes you think He will remember those who perished in His presence? (written by APL as if He dwells on them forever) Doesn't the fact that they disappear as if they never existed refute your statement?

"They who have been “accounted worthy” of the resurrection of life are “blessed and holy.” “On such the second death hath no power.” Revelation 20:6. But those who have not, through repentance and faith, secured pardon, must receive the penalty of transgression—“the wages of sin.” They suffer punishment varying in duration and intensity, “according to their works,” but finally ending in the second death. Since it is impossible for God, consistently with His justice and mercy, to save the sinner in his sins, He deprives him of the existence which his transgressions have forfeited and of which he has proved himself unworthy. Says an inspired writer: “Yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.”Psalm 37:10; (ED; You will not be able to bring it to mind) And another declares: “They shall be as though they had not been.” Obadiah 16. Covered with infamy, they sink into hopeless, eternal oblivion. {GC 544.2}

But APL has spoken that the Lord will always have the pain of their loss on His soul. God has sworn that He will forget them.

It may just be that you make a lot of mistakes in the doctrines of our faith in ignorance, but man it seems as if you are here just to confuse as many as you can about the truth.

If it is ignorance I do pray for you like a brother. If it is to be maniacal, I hope you are severely tested to wake up. And that goes for quite a few people on this site. In the name of Jesus amen.

A heavy curse rested upon the Serpent in Eden, because he was the medium Satan used to tempt our first parents to transgress. And whoever yields themselves to subvert others, a heavy curse from God will follow them. And although those who permit themselves to be led astray, and learn vile habits, will suffer for their sin, yet those guilty of instructing them, will also suffer for their own sins, and the sins they led others to commit. It were better for such if they had never been born. {ApM 30.1}


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: God's love not unconditional [Re: danielw] #162293
02/24/14 05:55 PM
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jsot - will Christ retain the marks in His hands and His side? When we ask Him, why do you have these, will He say, "I have no idea!". When David and Bathsheba meet in heaven with Solomon, and along come Uriah, will Uriah not know who David and Bathsheba are? Will there not be a knowledge of how Solomon ultimately came about? Yes, they will know. Will it matter? NO. Why? Because sin is gone.

The mistake is thinking that our behaviors (10C) are the sin when they are only the symptoms. A person has cough and fever, what is the diagnosis? Cough? Fever? No, look deeper. Pneumonia and lets say it is caused by tuberculosis! You don't cure the disease by treating the cough and fever, you treat the disease. When you treat the disease, the symptoms go away, and the person because safe to be around again. That is the plan of redemption. We will not forget where we have been or what we have done.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: God's love not unconditional [Re: danielw] #162314
02/25/14 02:44 AM
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We wont have to ask Jesus, we will be forgiven and that is all we will have to remember.

"The horrible details of crime and misery need not to be lived over, and none who believe the truth for this time should act a part in perpetuating their memory." {3TT 164.2}

But Jesus will? Forgiveness is never having to say your sorry again.

I couldn't find the quote in the limited time I have but there is a quote from Mrs White where she said that under the tree of life she was asked about even the trials and she couldn't bring them to memory let alone any sin.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: God's love not unconditional [Re: danielw] #162319
02/25/14 04:45 AM
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Your quote is not about the new earth. It is about books published today with heart-sickening crimes and atrocities. We don't need to read that stuff.

You say we will be forgiven but forgiven of what? Makes no sense. Uriah will know what happened to him. Solomon will know where he came from. But that is not the point! The point is that those saved will be safe to be around. The sin has been removed!


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: God's love not unconditional [Re: APL] #162326
02/25/14 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted By: APL
Your quote is not about the new earth. It is about books published today with heart-sickening crimes and atrocities. We don't need to read that stuff.

You say we will be forgiven but forgiven of what? Makes no sense. Uriah will know what happened to him. Solomon will know where he came from. But that is not the point! The point is that those saved will be safe to be around. The sin has been removed!


What about this quote? Ezekiel 21:32 Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the Lord have spoken it.

You are very selective in the way you address things.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: God's love not unconditional [Re: danielw] #162335
02/25/14 04:22 PM
02/25/14 04:22 PM
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I'm selective?- - <grin> - - You chose a quote about present day books and apply it to the world to come, and that is not selective??? It is creative!

Do you not believe that David, Bathsheba, Solomon and Uriah will not remember their history? They will remember. It won't matter because they are changed.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: God's love not unconditional [Re: APL] #162353
02/25/14 09:42 PM
02/25/14 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted By: APL
I'm selective?- - <grin> - - You chose a quote about present day books and apply it to the world to come, and that is not selective??? It is creative!

Do you not believe that David, Bathsheba, Solomon and Uriah will not remember their history? They will remember. It won't matter because they are changed.


Unless God decides to destroy all the copies of Scripture to prevent us from seeing anything from the past? Is there a Scriptural support for this idea?


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: God's love not unconditional [Re: danielw] #162361
02/26/14 01:42 AM
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So you think we are going to have our forgiven sins brought to memory throughout eternity? Are you guys mad? Don't you know what forgiveness is?

Do you know what the book of remembrance is?

UNFORGIVEN sins are brought before the whole universe durring the 1000 years of Judgment but forgiven sins are put on the head of the scape goat at the second coming so their record is GONE! But you would have to know something about the scapegoat or the book of remembrance to know these things.

"The mansions that Jesus has gone to prepare for all who love Him will be peopled by those who are free from sin. But sins that are not confessed will never be forgiven; the name of him who thus rejects the grace of God will be blotted out of the book of life. The time is at hand when every secret thing shall be brought into judgment, and then there will be many confessions made that will astonish the world. The secrets of all hearts will be revealed. The confession of sin will be most public. The sad part of it is that confession then made will be too late to benefit the wrongdoer or to save others from deception. It only testifies that his condemnation is just.... You may now close the book of your remembrance in order to escape confessing your sins, but when the judgment shall sit and the books shall be opened, you cannot close them. The recording angel has testified that which is true. All that you have tried to conceal and forget is registered, and will be read to you when it is too late for wrongs to be righted.... Unless your sins are canceled, they will testify against you at that day.29 {TMK 238.3}

So conversely this should prove that if your sins are canceled they will NOT testify against you.

"Names are accepted, names rejected. When any have sins remaining upon the books of record, unrepented of and unforgiven, their names will be blotted out of the book of life, and the record of their good deeds will be erased from the book of God’s remembrance. The Lord declared to Moses: “Whosoever hath sinned against Me, him will I blot out of My book.” Exodus 32:33. And says the prophet Ezekiel: “When the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, ... all his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned.” Ezekiel 18:24. {CIHS 119.1}

Every person who has not accepted forgiveness will be blotted out, which means erraced.

"All who have truly repented of sin, and by faith claimed the blood of Christ as their atoning sacrifice, have had pardon entered against their names in the books of heaven; as they have become partakers of the righteousness of Christ, and their characters are found to be in harmony with the law of God, their sins will be blotted out, and they themselves will be accounted worthy of eternal life. The Lord declares, by the prophet Isaiah: “I, even I, am He that blotteth out thy transgressions for Mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.” Isaiah 43:25. Said Jesus: “He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before My Father, and before His angels.” “Whosoever therefore shall confess Me before men, him will I confess also before My Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny Me before men, him will I also deny before My Father which is in heaven.” Revelation 3:5; Matthew 10:32, 33. {CIHS 119.2}

The book of life is a record of those who have accepted Christ as savior, but more than that, they are the only people from this planet who will appear to have ever lived.

You guys are something else. Especially you Pastor.

Don't you know that when we go to heaven we will not be able to remember our sins? If we have the good fortune of making it, then we will have righteous amnesia. God even forgets the sins that have been forgiven. And the men who are destroyed at the second resurrection are forgotten forever.

Do you think we carry our bibles with us to heaven before the earth is cleansed? What survives is righteous thoughts, not memories of sin.

An SDA pastor should know these things.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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