And what is your definition of "ordain"? Does it mean, "to enact"? Does it mean the same as ordaining Pastors and Elders?

Adam was the high priest, he was our patriarch, the eldest of our tribe, created first. One of the 24 elders before the throne.

This is the order of heaven and it is a test for the worldly inside of the church who will fall away as soon as persecution arises. You are being wieghed in the ballance right now.

Good point. Jesus choose her. Of the thousands of faithful Jewish men who had not bowed the knee to false gods Jesus chose Deborah to judge Israel.

There were no faithful servants to do the deed. She was the only one. The king had no faith in the people because they had no faith. She was used to support the king not to userp his position as king or the position of the priests.

But she was the first to point out to the king that this was a mistake, she told him that he should lead the people but he refused so she had to step up. But she was still NEVER ordained.

There was no king. Only judges. Jesus "raised" her "up".

Green must be commended for the work that he has done in this thread in listing the various Biblical verses that contain a word that he wants to comment upon.

In accord with his thinking on the various translations, he has used the KJV, I believe.

He certainly has a point when he suggests that we look mainly at what the Bible says, rather that what people say about the Bible.

It must be noted that in his work he has demonstrated the problems that occur when a person who does not know and understand the language attempt to determine what the Bible says based upon a translation into English from the Biblical language.

I will give but one example from those that exist.

Look at his citation of Acts 14:23 and its use of the English word "ordained.'

Transliterated (not translated) into English, the Greek word is "cheirotoneo."

That word does not mean ordained. The KJV translators went beyond the literal meaning of the Greek word when they translated it as "ordained." This is just one example of the KJV translators doing such.

The Greek word more literally means: "to extend the hand." It is typically used in situations where thee has been an election, such as would occur where people were asked to raise their hands in a vote on an issue.

In a search for the Biblical meaning and teaching one is informed by knowledge of the Biblical languages and there is value in looking beyond the mere English meaning.

Yes, God has protected his Word. God has preserved it in a form that the common person can read and understand.

But, it is unwise to place full faith and credit in any one translation to the exclusion of others.

In a previous post I said:


This is an example of the bias that the KJV translators had.

NOTE: God has preserved His word, but He has preserved it in imperfect translations.

You are so right. There were no kings in Israel in the days of the judges.

It would be much easier to have a dialog with people who have read their Bibles and know the WORD of God.

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I'm locking this thread temporarily for some thread cleanup/splitting. The topic has shifted, and needs to be divided so that the original topic can continue.

EDIT: Thread cleanup is finished. Please remember that this thread is a Bible study, focused strictly on the Biblical aspects of ordination. There are other ordination threads where extra-Biblical resources can be brought in and discussed. Thank you for your courtesy in remembering this.

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Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Perhaps this what I prepared for you will help:



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