Wonderful. Please tell us on which day water was created.

Yes I realize that there are certain things about the creation story that are problematic, however I still have to take the Bible at it's word and say that the earth was created in 6 literal days. Do you?

Redfog

How can you ignore the red flags planted by the author at the very beginning warning you not to be too literal with the account? That is irresponsible. I take the account for what it stated declaratively, that in the beginning the universe was created by the One who now rules it.

Darius why am I not surprised that you responded in this way You don't like answering direct questions in a direct way do you? You and Muhammad Ali share something: You dance like a butterfly and sting like a bee. As a bee keeper I've learned to ignore the stings. And the dance of a butterfly is entertaining, but not much more.

BTW were do you see that the creation account is not to be taken literally? I don't see it.

Redfog

Follow closely, Redfog.

1. Water exists before the creation begins. That is a logical impossibility. Clearly Moses wants to keep water as in important motif.

2. He says that Elohim created the heavens and the earth. Clearly, he is making this a history of earth because earth is a part of the heavens.

3. He tells us that the God created the earth in six days but somehow managed to create all the other heavenly bodies in one day -- the fourth.

4. For some reason the seventh day is never ended in his account. It is left openended.

All these flags should not be ignored if we have any respect for the God of the Bible. Church dogma cannot be that important.

"For in six days the Lord made the heaven and the earth, the sea, and all that in them is..."

Either this is true or it is false. If it is false then so is the Sabbath day, so then is the SDA church and the SOP. And if the Bible cannot be trusted then God cannot be trusted in fact maybe He does not even exist and good old Chucky was right about his theory of evolution.

Clearly water was there, along with a mass of something before He started creation. I don't see a problem with that.

Yes there are some problems understanding the Biblical story of Creation, however if you take the Bible as a whole unit and weigh one part against the other then there can be no question as to the creation week.

I stand by earlier statement: "I think there is a great danger in intellectualizing away some of the most basic of Biblical truths. Personal observations are not a basis for truth, in fact our own observations are many times very misleading, especially of the natural world." There is no truth more basic that Creation.

Redfog

You seriously do not have a problem believing that "water and a mass of something" are as eternal as the Creator?

"The earth is fixed." Either that is true or it is false. Do you really want to go down that road?

So Darius where do you want to go with your reasoning and logic? Is the Bible all fables to you? If you are going to use science to justify the Bible then yes it is mostly fables. Science will tell you that the virgin birth is not possible, so there goes the belief that Jesus is God. At what point do you quit believing in the Bible at all?

If you start to pick the Bible apart piece by piece pretty soon there is nothing left but an empty shell, along with an empty heart.

Redfog

Redfog, where does science say that virgin birth is not possible?