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Re: What happens to our sinful flesh nature when we are born again?
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12/12/05 05:20 PM
12/12/05 05:20 PM
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Wrong question. Many of the things that scientists once thought were not possible are now accepted as fact. That question means nothing. I often wonder what anyone thinks is achieved by asking it.
Apology accepted. That accusation was MM's ploy in his effort to avoid my probing remarks. Something similar was done to Galileo when his detractors could not overcome his arguments that the earth was not the Center of the universe. They accused him of contradicting the Bible. It is an old tactic.
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Re: What happens to our sinful flesh nature when we are born again?
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12/12/05 05:44 PM
12/12/05 05:44 PM
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Well Darius I am getting tired of your word games. It would appear from your vague posts that you pick and chose what you believe in the Bible. While you dance around questions and ideas the rest of us have to make assumptions on your beliefs based on your vague comments, especially on the 6 day creation. You've never said you believe in a literal creation week or not, and my expectation is you never will on this forum. So be it.
Time to go cut fire wood.
Redfog
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Re: What happens to our sinful flesh nature when we are born again?
#16271
12/12/05 05:46 PM
12/12/05 05:46 PM
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Newsflash! Redfog. Whether I believe in a six-day creation or an Instantaneous Creation won't change the fact that the universe was created and the creator rules it all.
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Re: What happens to our sinful flesh nature when we are born again?
#16272
12/12/05 07:56 PM
12/12/05 07:56 PM
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Darius I must correct my last post as I have no proof you are violating the rules of this forum. My appologies.
No need, Redfrog: this thread is itself the proof.
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Newsflash! Redfog. Whether I believe in a six-day creation or an Instantaneous Creation won't change the fact that the universe was created and the creator rules it all.
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG: God is established in our praises, it says in the psalms; you are tearing God down by discrediting his written word. You can't have a Creator who is torn down.
And, since your dry humour is now dangerously brittle, your lack of positive contribution has become a problem.
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Re: What happens to our sinful flesh nature when we are born again?
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12/12/05 08:23 PM
12/12/05 08:23 PM
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Boy this thread has taken a turn. I just have one question: What happens to our sinful flesh when we are born again?
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Re: What happens to our sinful flesh nature when we are born again?
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12/12/05 08:28 PM
12/12/05 08:28 PM
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Nothing happens to it because nothing happened to our flesh when we fell into sin.
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Re: What happens to our sinful flesh nature when we are born again?
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12/12/05 08:59 PM
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Darius the reason I was trying to pin you down on Creation is because this is a SDA forum. As SDA's most of our beliefs are based on the literal 6 day Creation. From Sabbath to Salvation, without a literal Creation story they cannot exist as we know them. I believe that one of Satan's all time greatest deceptions is the theory of evolution, even if it is a God guided evolution. Any origin belief other than a literal creation week is of Satan, pure and simple.
Now if you do not believe in a literal Creation week then I must assume that you are not an SDA, not that it really matters, however it does help to know the beliefs of the person who you are carrying on a discussion with. Because you have been so reluctant to say what you believe it makes it extremely hard to have a discussion with you. You seem to relish vagueness in your posts, for what reason only you can know.
If we wish to carry on a discussion of Creation we should do so on another thread.
Redfog
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Re: What happens to our sinful flesh nature when we are born again?
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12/12/05 09:38 PM
12/12/05 09:38 PM
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Redfog, the Shut Door also used to be an SDA doctrine. When we realized its flaws we set it adrift.
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Re: What happens to our sinful flesh nature when we are born again?
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12/12/05 10:15 PM
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Well Darius I don't know about the Shut Door, though I have heard of it. If we abandon our belief in a literal 6 day creation all of our beliefs whould be null and void. You call yourself a Christian. Well Christ believed in Creation. (Mark 10) He said it and I believe it. And without a literal 6 day Creation there is no need of Christ. Without Creation there can be no God as we understand Him. Your talking in circles is really getting wearisome, and not just to me. That you believe what you choose to believe from the Bible is obvious. I cannot accept this kind of Un-Biblical theology, and I think it's safe to say neither can others on here. You mock the Bible and God when you don't believe in a literal 6 day Creation. You've convinced no one as to your beliefs, what ever they are. ![[Roll Eyes]](images/icons/rolleyes.gif) Redfog
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Re: What happens to our sinful flesh nature when we are born again?
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12/13/05 12:37 AM
12/13/05 12:37 AM
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It remains subdued by the power of God through his Spirit. Romans 8:- quote:
9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so it be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His.
10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh to live according to the flesh;
13for if ye live according to the flesh ye shall die, but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body ye shall live.
14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
1 John 5:4 picks up on "sons of God":-
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For whosoever is born of God overcometh the world. And this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
Galatians 5:17 brings the battle plan to light:-
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For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary the one to the other, so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
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