It's putting the horse before the cart to say attitude, rebellion etc is a manifestation of molecular malady.
Rather molecular malady is a result of rebellion, treason against God and wrong attitudes.

Actually society pretty much believes the molecular malady theory now -- children who don't obey or are rebellious are usually "diagnosed" with some kind of "malady" and given drugs to "correct" it. It's absolutely amazing how many kids are on some medicinal drugs to "normalize" their behavior.

True I only listened only to parts of various seminars, (it's very lengthy and a lot of technical stuff) but my main impression was -- "It's amazing we are alive at all with all the degeneration that has occurred in the living system!"
Indeed we are dying long before we actually die. There's no question that things are gone hay wire.

But like the theory of evolution which has been very active (not in progressing but in degenerating the systems of Creation) this new theory, by realizing the prevailing conditions, does not address origins correctly. It tells us what sin has done, not what caused sin, nor does it address the true issues why sin can't be allowed. For like already noted -- eating from the tree of life would have stopped the process of MGE's and their destructive activities within the human system. And the implications were made that these MGE's caused "rebellion" and bad attitude etc. so eating of the tree of life which would have neutralized the MGE's would have been a good antidote against both dying and sin.

But there is a legal aspect to sin as well that is being pushed aside.
Yet to deny it is to deny justification, and the wonderful gift of forgiveness.
Yes, sanctification follows justification; the two must go together.

But the gospel tells us that first we must come to Christ as we are, and he accepts us! When we confess our sins He forgives them -- wipes our record clean! That is the legal aspect made possible by Christ taking our place! He gives us a clean record, and He gives us His merits. This gives us the boldness to come to God as His son or daughter in prayer and daily fellowship. We are accepted by God in Christ.

This is the POWER of the gospel. By walking with Christ our minds are renewed, transformed. (see Romans 12:2) The MGE's in our body that are destroying cells etc. etc, are still there, and will be there till this mortal puts on immortality, this corruptible puts on incorruption at Christ's second coming. But by beholding Christ and filling our minds with His Word, our whole thinking patterns are transformed right here in our present lives.


As to sin and Lucifer --
FIRST there is the surmising concerning Satan's rebellion in heaven. The assumption that even though Satan was breaking God's commandments in heaven, yet he would have been re-instated just by saying he was sorry; that is pure assumption.
All we really know from inspired writings is that at that point Satan had not yet sinned the unpardonable sin and could have repented and been reinstated. We are NOT told what his re-instatement would have involved if he would have repented. To say there was no legal connection is purely assumed.
Once there was war in heaven Satan and his followers had committed the unpardonable sin and whatever plan was offered or available before for their re-instatement was forever closed.

SECONDLY -- Jesus willingly yielded up His life in sacrifice.

John 10:15 and 17 "I lay down my life for the sheep."
John 10:18 No man takes it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.

His death wasn't just an example.
His death was our redemption price!
"The redemption price has been paid." {12MR 408.3}

His death was entered into under the conditions of the first death without a Savior, (for all have sinned) and without a Savior the first death was final. If Christ had sinned and if He had not broken through the prison house of death to the resurrection there would be no resurrection for anyone.

"When the Son of God came forth from Joseph's sepulcher, a triumphant conqueror over death, He broke the fetters of the tomb..." {ST, September 23, 1889 par. 2}



In one sense it is only because of Christ's death and resurrection that a "second death" is necessary. If it weren't for His resurrection, no one else would be resurrected ever. No one would receive everlasting life, and those who rejected God, would not have to die a second time -- cause they would already be dead.

THIRDLY:
The fruit on the tree of knowledge of good and evil was a test. This idea that they could play with sin all they wanted as long as they didn't eat of the fruit is some pretty fantastic assumptions. That falls into the category of presumption.

It is sort of how a lot of people think however about God's law.
As long as you don't kill anyone, you aren't breaking God's law, but Jesus says, "If you are full of hateful thoughts against that person you are a murderer already."

People say -- as long as you don't physically commit adultery, you're not breaking God's law, but Jesus says "If you fill your mind with lustful thoughts as you look on a woman, you are breaking the law". (See Matt. 5)

Living in a perfect world in communion with God and the angels, sinning just wasn't part of their lives. The first "seeds" of doubt were planted in their minds, not through MGE's but by communication with the serpent. Those thoughts could have been banished immediately, (temptation is not sin, if we reject it like Jesus did with a "thus says the Lord') The eating of the fruit was simply an outward expression that showed to all who they had chosen to believe and obey.

After that the life giving elements from the tree of life were barred from them. Satan was unleashed from the tree and he started his deceptions and devious, often destructive ways all over the earth and things simply degenerated, except as God intervened for our salvation.

Fine! Give me the evidence. Melashenko has provided reams of evidence. Give your counter evidence.

And the evidence for this wholesale drugging is nearly neglible.

It is amazing we are still alive. An geneticist, an evolutionist turned Christian who honestly looked at the data has written a book about our deterioration. Genetic Entropy and the Mystery of the Genome by John Sanford, Ph.D. An Interesting book.

This statement is spoken without understanding. In fact it speaks volumes as to how sin started and why it was permitted. You cannot change the way God has created life, or it will fall apart.

Again, you are wrong. As EGW has said, eating from the TOL would have immortalized sin. It would not have neutralized MGE's and in fact, your saying so shows you do not understand the magnitude or nature of the problem! MGE's can destroy information in the genome. How would eating of the TOL rewrite the DNA that has been destroyed? Do you have any evidence for such an assertion? No. EGW: It had been Satan's studied plan that Adam and Eve should disobey God, receive His frown, and then partake of the tree of life, that they might live forever in sin and disobedience, and thus sin be immortalized. But holy angels were sent to drive them out of the garden, and to bar their way to the tree of life. Each of these mighty angels had in his right hand something which had the appearance of a glittering sword. {EW 148.2}

Not in the least is forgiveness, justification or sanctification done away with. Again evidence you have not listened to the series and are speaking out of ignorance.
The gospel tells us God came to us as we were and invites us to Himself. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. And His death wins us over as friends, for we know that He is not out to destroy us, or kill us, or execute us, but to transforms us into His likeness, and we saved by His life! Romans 5:10 We were God's enemies, but he made us his friends through the death of his Son. Now that we are God's friends, how much more will we be saved by Christ's life!

The power of the gospel is creative power. We know God by what He has made! Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Creation reveals the power of GOD, for His power is creative power. The fact that GOD creates is that which distinguishes Him as it the one true GOD. Psalms 96:4-5 For the LORD is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods. 5 For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens. What does the Sabbath testify to? God's creative power.

What you say is assumption is backed by EGW. Satan was lying about God, yet the conditions or reinstatement was given, confess and submit. Read GC chapter 29.

And who is saying his death was just an example? Who? I agree, the redemption price was paid. To whom was it paid? An athelete pays a great price to win the race. To whom is it paid?

Are you saying Christ died the first death? How is that tasting death for all humans when all humans die the first death? The wages of sin is death, Romans 6:23. EGW states that this verse is speaking about the second death. What death did Jesus die? Again EGW: Christ was suffering the death that was pronounced upon the transgressors of God's law. {BTS, September 1, 1915 par. 5} "The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23. While life is the inheritance of the righteous, death is the portion of the wicked. Moses declared to Israel: "I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil." Deuteronomy 30:15. The death referred to in these scriptures is not that pronounced upon Adam, for all mankind suffer the penalty of his transgression. It is "the second death" that is placed in contrast with everlasting life. {GC 544.1}

What was the command in the Bible? Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
I agree with you, that in our sinful flesh, our thoughts are sinful. We are exhorted to bring every though in line with Christ, 2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ. But we are speaking about Adam and Eve, where their every thought evil? No for they had not fallen.

Ah - so the eating of the fruit was not really relavant. That however does not match scripture. And it ignores all the data that confirms Genesis 3:14-18. Oh, that's right, you have not listened to the lectures, so you can't know this.

Did God read very good things, or things whichi will deteriorate and die. Is the evil we see in the world of the non-human life just the result of deterioration? Is "the curse" just deterioration, or is "the curse" the evidence of what sin causes? Yes, it is the evidence of what sin causes. The snake on its belly, MGE, sin cause. A womans travial in childbirth - MGE generated, sin caused. Thorns and thistles, MGEs, sin caused. I think the evidence is clear.

He takes no pleasure in a forced allegiance, and to all He grants freedom of will, that they may render Him voluntary service. {GC 493.2} But if you break my law, I am legally bound to destroy you! Really? Then there is no freedom. What God had told us is that we cannot change what He has made, or it will fall apart. That is what Satan did. Why? Yes, because he was jealous of God. Satan did not understand what he was doing, that it was going to destory him and many angels. He was warned. But God was not then legally bound to destroy Satan. The inhabitants of heaven and of other worlds, being unprepared to comprehend the nature or consequences of sin. Satan is the destroyer, sin is the cause of disease and death, not God. Sin will be destroyed, when God lets sin go to completion, something we only say in the death of Christ.

So you believe Jesus died the 2nd death for His own sins? Did Jesus cause unauthorized changes to His own information system (Melashenko's definition of sin)?

And you still have not been able to explain the difference between 1st death MGEs and 2nd death MGEs. If God is able to save everyone from the 1st death while preserving their identities, why not the 2nd death?

He was made to be sin for us: 2 Corinthians 5:21 For he has made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. 1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

As for first and second death, you have listened to the series? I'll let the series speak for itself.

So Jesus was made to be "unauthorized info system change" for us? Whose MGEs killed Him? Did He cause His own info system changes? Or were they from Adam?

The series makes no distinction between 1st death MGEs and 2nd death MGEs. It says that all death, all the way down to apoptosis, is caused by MGEs. That includes both 1st and 2nd death.

It also says that the fruit of the Tree of Life could prevent the sinner's death permanently. It even says that it was the antidote for death. But it never explains why God prevented sinners from eating it, since it would have saved everyone from "real"l," physical death.

It is apparent you have not listened to the whole series.

I think that provides great insight into how seriously we should take this series. The quality of the arguments set forth by you, its greatest proponent here, speaks volumes.

I think you've run out of gas. PM me when you want to discuss the topic seriously. In the meantime, I'll try to find someone who knows this topic well enough for intelligent dialogue.

Interesting response - have you or have you not listened to the whole series? I don't think so.

The issue of the tree of life has been discussed here and why the ban to some degree.

Your penchant for assumption is Brobdingnagian. You love to speak authoritatively on things of which you know nothing.

You are either unable or unwilling to give direct and clear answers. If you are simply unable, then you don't have the information needed to bring clarity to the topic; it would be good to find another spokesman if you want this theory to gain any traction.

If you are unwilling, then you don't have the integrity required to have a productive study.