You say I said so. But the truth is clear. Your argument is with the Word of God. It was Jesus who commanded capital punishment and war.


Again, your argument is with Jesus. It was Jesus who commanded the Jews to utterly kill every man, woman, and child.

M: But it is a "mistake" to assume Jesus is recanting what He commanded in the OT. "Christ, the angel whom God had appointed to go before his chosen people, gave to Moses statutes and requirements necessary to a living religion and to govern the people of God. Christians commit a terrible mistake in calling this law severe and arbitrary, and then contrasting it with the gospel and mission of Christ in his ministry on earth, as though he were in opposition to the just precepts which they call the law of Moses. {RH, May 6, 1875 par. 12}

K: Jesus commanded "Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot," Jesus said, "Mt 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." You read, but don't understand.

A detachment of the Roman troops was encamped near by, on the sea-shore, and Jesus is now interrupted by the loud blast of the trumpet which is the signal for the soldiers to assemble on the plain below. They form in the regular order, bowing in homage to the Roman standard which is uplifted before them. With bitterness the Jews look upon this scene which reminds them of their own degradation as a nation. Presently messengers are dispatched from the army, with orders to various distant posts. As they toil up the abrupt bank that borders the shore, they are brought near to the listening crowd that surrounds Jesus, and they force some of the Jewish peasants to carry their burdens for them up the steep ascent. The peasants resist this act of oppression, and address their persecutors with violent language; but they are finally compelled to obey the soldiers, and perform the menial task required of them. This exhibition of Roman authority stirs the people with indignation, and they turn eagerly to hear what the great Teacher will say of this cruel act of oppression. With sadness, because of the sins which had brought the Jews into such bondage, Jesus looks upon the shameful scene. He also notes the hatred and revenge stamped upon the faces of the Jews, and knows how bitterly they long for power to crush their oppressors. Mournfully he says:-- {2SP 222.2}

"Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth. But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil; but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also. And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away." {2SP 223.1}

Exodus
21:22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart [from her], and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges [determine].
21:23 And if [any] mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
21:24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
21:25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
21:26 And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake.
21:27 And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.

Leviticus
24:17 And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death.
24:18 And he that killeth a beast shall make it good; beast for beast.
24:19 And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbour; as he hath done, so shall it be done to him;
24:20 Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him [again].
24:21 And he that killeth a beast, he shall restore it: and he that killeth a man, he shall be put to death.

Deuteronomy
19:21 And thine eye shall not pity; [but] life [shall go] for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.

M: Again, your argument is with Jesus. It was Jesus who commanded the Jews to utterly kill every man, woman, and child.

K: So you are saying that if someone objects to Jesus murdering men, women, and children, that is something they need to take up with Him. Do you think it would be safe for them to do so? I mean, imagine someone asking the papacy if it was proper to burn people at the stake. I would ask you how that viewpoint of Jesus would lead the infidel to Him, but you already said so what, that's their problem. Sad, isn't it.

APL, even if Jesus never wanted the Jews to fight (not saying I believe you), it doesn't change the fact He commanded them to utterly kill every man, woman, and child. You have not dealt with the truth.

APL, even if Jesus never wanted the Jews to fight (not saying I believe you), it doesn't change the fact He commanded them to utterly kill every man, woman, and child. You have not dealt with the truth.

While I don't agree with APL's theology on this matter, yet I most certainly do not agree with those who believe the death sentence should be reinstated for religious and moral based "crimes". Yes, those "stoning" laws ended at the cross.

Christ took the penalty of death upon Himself at the cross. Thus He could say to the woman caught in adultery, "Neither do I condemn you, go and sin no more." The only reason any need perish in the final destruction, is because they rejected this marvelous offer of life.

APL, I doubt you are ever going to confess the truth. It is pointless to discuss it with you.