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Foretelling the rejection of the Investigative Judgement? #99175
05/08/08 10:45 AM
05/08/08 10:45 AM
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Foretelling the rejection of the Investigative Judgement?



I came across this article that EGW wrote, and it struck me that this was about the Investigate Judgement, how some would refuse to accept it and get stuck in their rejection and refuse to go forward with the light being shown by Christ....

"...In February, 1845, I had a vision of events commencing with the Midnight Cry.
I saw a throne and on it sat the Father and the Son. I gazed on Jesus' countenance and
admired his lovely person. The Father's person I could not behold, for a cloud of glorious
light covered him.

I asked Jesus if his Father had a form like himself. He said he had, but I could not behold
it, for said he if you should once behold the glory of his person you would cease to exist.
Before the throne I saw the Advent people, the church, and the world. I saw a company,
bowed down before the throne, deeply interested, while the most of them stood up
disinterested and careless. Those who were bowed before the throne would offer up their
prayers and look to Jesus; then he would look to his Father, and appeared to be pleading
with Him.

A light would come from the Father to the Son, and from the Son to the praying
company. Then I saw an exceeding bright light come from the Father to the Son, and
from the Son it waved over the people before the throne. But few would receive this great
light; many came out from under it and immediately resisted it; others were careless and
did not cherish the light, and it moved off from them; some cherished it, and went and
bowed down with the little praying company. This company all received the light, and
rejoiced in it, as their countenances shone with its glory.

And I saw the Father rise from the throne, and in a flaming Chariot go into the Holy of
Holies, within the veil, and did sit. There I saw thrones that I had never seen before.
Then Jesus rose up from the throne, and the most of those who were bowed down arose
with Him; and I did not see one ray of light pass from Jesus to the careless multitude after
he arose, and they were left in perfect darkness.

Those who rose up when Jesus did, kept their eyes fixed on Him as He left the throne
and led them out a little way. Then He raised His right arm and we heard his lovely voice
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saying, "Wait here--I am going to my Father to receive the Kingdom; keep your garments
spotless, and in a little while I will return from the wedding and receive you to myself."
And I saw a cloudy chariot, with wheels like flaming fire, and Angels were all around it
as it came where Jesus was. He stepped into the chariot and was borne to the Holiest
where the Father sat.

There I beheld Jesus, as He was standing before the Father, a great High Priest. On the
hem of His garment was a bell and pomegranate.
Then Jesus shew me the difference between faith and feeling.
And I saw those who rose up with Jesus send up their faith to Him in the Holiest, and
pray--my Father give us thy Spirit. Then Jesus would breathe upon them the Holy Ghost.
In the breath was light, power, and much love, joy and peace.

Then I turned to look at the company who were still bowed before the throne; they did
not know that Jesus had left it.— Satan appeared to be by the throne, trying to carry on
the work of God; I saw them look up to the throne and pray, my Father give us thy Spirit;
then Satan would breathe upon them an unholy influence; in it there was light and much
power, but no sweet love, joy and peace.

Satan's object was to keep them deceived, and to draw back and deceive God's children.
I saw one after another leave the company who were praying to Jesus in the Holiest, and
go and join those before the throne, and they at once received the unholy influence of
Satan.

About four months since I had a vision of events all in the future. I saw the time of
trouble, such as never was. Jesus told me it was the time of Jacob's trouble, and that we
should be delivered out of it by the voice of God.

Then I saw the four angels cease to hold the four winds. And I saw famine, pestilence
and sword--nation rose against nation, and the whole world was in confusion. Then we
cried to God day and night for deliverance, until we began to hear the bells on Jesus'
garment.

And I saw Jesus rise up in the Holiest, and as he came out we heard the tinkling of the
bells and knew that our High Priest was coming out. Then we heard the voice of God
which shook the heavens and the earth, and gave the 144,000 the day and hour of Jesus
coming. Then the saints were free, united, and full of the glory of God, for he has turned
their captivity.

And I saw a flaming cloud come where Jesus' stood. Then Jesus laid off his priestly
garment and put on his Kingly robe, and took his place on the cloud which carried him to
the East, where it first appeared to the saints on earth— a small black cloud which was
the sign of the Son of Man.

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While the cloud was passing from the Holiest to the East, which took a number of days,
the synagogue of Satan worshipped at the saint's feet....."
("Early Writings," pp. 55, 56; ed. 1907).

Re: Foretelling the rejection of the Investigative Judgement? [Re: Rick H] #163841
03/31/14 09:51 PM
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Moved this here from another area of Maritime.


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Re: Foretelling the rejection of the Investigative Judgement? [Re: Rick H] #163845
03/31/14 11:02 PM
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She foretells the rejection of the sanctuary doctrine.

"The Sanctuary a Point of Special Attack.--
In the future, deception of every kind is to arise, and we want solid ground for our feet. We want solid pillars for the building. Not one pin is to be removed from that which the Lord has established. The enemy will bring in false theories, such as the doctrine that there is no sanctuary. This is one of the points on which there will be a departing from the faith. Where shall we find safety unless it be in the truths that the Lord has been giving for the last fifty years?-- Review and Herald, May 25, 1905. {CW 53.2}

Satan is striving continually to bring in fanciful suppositions in regard to the sanctuary, degrading the wonderful representations of God and the ministry of Christ for our salvation into something that suits the carnal mind. He removes its presiding power from the hearts of believers, and supplies its place with fantastic theories invented to make void the truths of the atonement, and destroy our confidence in the doctrines which we have held sacred since the third angel's message was first given. Thus he would rob us of our faith in the very message that has made us a separate people, and has given character and power to our work.--Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, p. 17. (1905.) {CW 53.3}

I know that the sanctuary question stands in righteousness and truth, just as we have held it for so many years. It is the enemy that leads minds off on sidetracks. He is pleased when those who know the truth become engrossed in collecting scriptures to pile around erroneous theories, which have no foundation in truth. The scriptures thus used are misapplied; they were not given to substantiate error, but to strengthen truth.--Gospel Workers, p. 303. (1915.) {CW 54.1}

Re: Foretelling the rejection of the Investigative Judgement? [Re: Rick H] #163859
04/01/14 03:56 PM
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What Rick posted in his opening post of this thread contained some interesting information such as, and I quote:
Quote:
And I saw the Father rise from the throne, and in a flaming Chariot go into the Holy of Holies, within the veil, and did sit. There I saw thrones that I had never seen before.
Then Jesus rose up from the throne.....

And I saw a cloudy chariot, with wheels like flaming fire, and Angels were all around it as it came where Jesus was. He stepped into the chariot and was borne to the Holiest where the Father sat.

This shows the move by both the Father and the Son from the Holy Place into the Most Holy Place to begin the work of the Investigative Judgement, which obviously took place at the close of the 2,300 year prophecy of Daniel.
Quote:
Daniel 7:9 AKJV I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

10A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered to him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

Dan 8:14 AKJV And he said to me, To two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.


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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Foretelling the rejection of the Investigative Judgement? [Re: dedication] #163869
04/01/14 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted By: dedication
She foretells the rejection of the sanctuary doctrine.


Do you know what these words by Jesus Christ are really saying?

Originally Posted By: John 4

19 The woman said to Him, “Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet.
20 Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, and you Jews say that in Jerusalem is the place where one ought to worship.”
21 Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
25 The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming” (who is called Christ). “When He comes, He will tell us all things.”
26 Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am He.”


Then, in conversation with the Pharisees, he says something interesting.

Originally Posted By: John 2

18 So the Jews answered and said to Him, “What sign do You show to us, since You do these things?”
19 Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”
21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body.
22 Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said.


The sanctuary was a figure of IMMANUEL, was it not?
That the Messiah was going to die for the forgiveness of sins, was it not?
And was going to reach its fulfilment in His ministry, death, resurrection and ascension, was it not?

OR was there more to it?

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Re: Foretelling the rejection of the Investigative Judgement? [Re: James Peterson] #163871
04/01/14 06:07 PM
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There are several applications to "temple" in scripture.

1. We are the "temple" of the Holy Spirit.
1 Cor. 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

2. Jesus refers to His Body as "the temple"
John 2:20-21 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? But he spake of the temple of his body.

3. The church is called the "temple of God".
Eph. 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together grows unto an holy temple in the Lord:


Yet that does not destroy the fact that there is a sanctuary or temple in heaven in which Jesus officiates as our High Priest.

Hebrews 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

Heb. 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; (referring back to the earthly temple described in the verses previous)
9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.



And yes there is a temple IN heaven:
Notice this temple isn't all heaven, it is IN heaven.

Rev. 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament:

Rev. 14:17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven,
14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice ...


Rev. 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
15:6 And the seven angels came out of the temple,

Rev. 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go....

Re: Foretelling the rejection of the Investigative Judgement? [Re: dedication] #163880
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Originally Posted By: dedication
There are several applications to "temple" in scripture.

1. We are the "temple" of the Holy Spirit.
1 Cor. 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

2. Jesus refers to His Body as "the temple"
John 2:20-21 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? But he spake of the temple of his body.

3. The church is called the "temple of God".
Eph. 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together grows unto an holy temple in the Lord:

Yet that does not destroy the fact that there is a sanctuary or temple in heaven ...

What purpose does it serve?

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Re: Foretelling the rejection of the Investigative Judgement? [Re: James Peterson] #163885
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The earthly sanctuary was symbolic of Christ's work for the salvation of mankind.

The sanctuary has three parts --
The outer court with it's altar of sacrifice and laver of water is the first.

The outer court symbolizes Christ's work while He was a man here on earth.
The all sufficient sacrifice for our redemption was made at her on earth at Calvary. The sacrifice is fully complete and all sufficient but the work of salvation does not end there.

In the Levitical directions concerning the process of being forgiven, this sentence is oft repeated after the sacrifice is completed:

"and the priest shall make an atonement for his sin that he has committed, and it shall be forgiven him." 4:34; 5:6,10, 16, 18


So there is work for the PRIEST to do after the sacrifice.

The sanctuary, itself, is the place in which this work takes place.

People, in the OT service could see the sacrificial animals upon the altar and other activities in the courtyard, and in the same way people saw Christ baptized and crucified upon the cross. (His fulfilment of the outer court shadows)

BUT people could no longer watch the earthly priest as he entered the temple itself to do his work therein.

And so, after His sacrifice was complete Christ entered into the heavenly sanctuary (where we follow Him by faith, not by sight) He entered, not with the blood of animals but by His own precious all sufficient blood to do the work of the Priest to apply the work of atonement.


Hebrews 8:2 (Speaking of Christ) A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
8:3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.

9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption [for us].

Re: Foretelling the rejection of the Investigative Judgement? [Re: Rick H] #163887
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Jesus is not only the sacrifice but is also our High priest.
In Hebrews a picture is being drawn of Jesus in His High Priestly role at the right hand of God interceding for His people (see Hebrews 7: 25).

We have a powerful ally to save us from sin -- a wonderful high priest at the right hand of God.

What does it mean to have an intercessor?
Some will say that Christ has already paid the price for our sins (Hebrews 1: 3)so why do we need an intercessor?

Christ paid the penalty for our sins and applies His merits when we confess our sins. The idea of Christ applying His merits of salvation to people without our accepting our need for salvation is incongruous.
Matt. 5:6 Blessed [are] they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

Scripture tells us that the way to life is narrow and only few find it because they are unwilling to travel the strait and narrow path. (see Matt. 7:14) They think they are saved and can still travel the broad way at the same time. They view God's law as too narrow but do not realize that law, if all would follow it would mean peace, joy, and true happiness. The broad way leads to destruction.

Like the chaff, the wicked are blown away in their supposed freedom but the righteous stand planted like a tree next to a stream.

Originally Posted By: Psalms
1:1 Blessed [is] the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
1:2 But his delight [is] in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
1:3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
1:4 The ungodly [are] not so: but [are] like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
1:5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
1:6 For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

Re: Foretelling the rejection of the Investigative Judgement? [Re: dedication] #163898
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Originally Posted By: dedication
The earthly sanctuary was symbolic of Christ's work for the salvation of mankind.

The sanctuary has three parts --
The outer court with it's altar of sacrifice and laver of water is the first.

The outer court symbolizes Christ's work while He was a man here on earth.
The all sufficient sacrifice for our redemption was made at her on earth at Calvary. The sacrifice is fully complete and all sufficient but the work of salvation does not end there.

In the Levitical directions concerning the process of being forgiven, this sentence is oft repeated after the sacrifice is completed:

"and the priest shall make an atonement for his sin that he has committed, and it shall be forgiven him." 4:34; 5:6,10, 16, 18


So there is work for the PRIEST to do after the sacrifice.

The sanctuary, itself, is the place in which this work takes place.

People, in the OT service could see the sacrificial animals upon the altar and other activities in the courtyard, and in the same way people saw Christ baptized and crucified upon the cross. (His fulfilment of the outer court shadows)

BUT people could no longer watch the earthly priest as he entered the temple itself to do his work therein ...

1. EXACTLY what work did the earthly priest do in the temple? Can you quote the scriptures that support what you are saying?

2. Does Christ do EXACTLY the same thing in the "temple in heaven"?

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