First, you lied about me. You haven't addressed my concern.

Second, you believe in a god who withdraws His restraining hand and permits evil men and evil angels to cause death and destruction.

First - I only lied if I knowingly said something false. If you would like to clarify, please do.

Second - God does not force Himself on us. If we persist in rejection of the Spirit, He will give us our way. It is the devil that has caused all sickness, disease, and death. Have you considered the book of Job?

First, you made false accusations about me without proof. If you are innocent of lying then you are, at least, guilty of recklessness, slander, and character assassination. I cannot imagine Jesus doing what you did. Either apologize or prove your accusation.

Second, you believe in a god who withdraws His restraining hand and permits evil men and evil angels to cause death and destruction. Moreover, you believe He gives evil men and evil angels permission to harm, molest, and murder innocent women and children.

I based my opinion on what you have written here. The record is here for all to read. If I am wrong, feel free to clear it up.

Has you not read the story of Job? And read GC pages 36 and 37. And GC page 589. Start there. God will not force Himself on us. To that, read SC page 10 and the first 5-6 paragraphs of chapter 5. As to killing and murder, the 6th commandment is no killing, period. That is a point of contention between us, is it not? I don't what to recklessly misrepresent your opinion on this, so if this is wrong, clear up the record.

Why are you hostile towards the idea of a God of love instead of a god of sickness, disease, and death?

APL, MM is objecting to a sentence structure technicality. You should have said:
Does the death of Christ say hardly anything to you about the death of a sinner? It does not to MM, what about you?

The cross says plenty about the lake of fire. However, there are way more differences between the two events.

APL, you believe Jesus withdraws His protections and permits innocent women and children to be killed. Jesus did not do that while here in the flesh.

APL, your unwillingness to apologize is unChristlike.

The giving up, letting go, handing over, (quoting Romans 1) is what I am talking about, WHY do you insist on adding the adjective innocent? Satan has indeed killed many bystanders in the war. Have you read the book of Job? Were Job's children innocent in your mind? Perhaps not. But WHO killed them? Not God! And yes, we did see how God was is involved in the death of a sinner, we did see the letting go, and it is not pretty.

As for your judgment that I am a liar, that may be your opinion. If I hurt your feelings, for that I am sorry. but please, clarify your position if I am wrong.