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Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #165062
05/16/14 03:37 PM
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I gave you the benefit of the doubt and you shove it in my face. So you do want to be an instigator and do not want to be rational.



http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/story/Ocean+Carbon+Uptake


How the oceans absorb carbon dioxide is critical for predicting climate change

carbon chemistry
Figure showing the change in carbon chemistry relative to preindustrial carbon dioxide

Air-sea gas exchange is a physio-chemical process, primarily controlled by the air-sea difference in gas concentrations and the exchange coefficient, which determines how quickly a molecule of gas can move across the ocean-atmosphere boundary. It takes about one year to equilibrate CO2 in the surface ocean with atmospheric CO2, so it is not unusual to observe large air-sea differences in CO2 concentrations. Most of the differences are caused by variability in the oceans due to biology and ocean circulation. The oceans contain a very large reservoir of carbon that can be exchanged with the atmosphere because the CO2 reacts with water to form carbonic acid and its dissociation products. As atmospheric CO2 increases, the interaction with the surface ocean will change the chemistry of the seawater resulting in ocean acidification.

Evidence suggests that the past and current ocean uptake of human-derived (anthropogenic) CO2 is primarily a physical response to rising atmospheric CO2 concentrations. Whenever the partial pressure of a gas is increased in the atmosphere over a body of water, the gas will diffuse into that water until the partial pressures across the air-water interface are equilibrated. However, because the global carbon cycle is intimately embedded in the physical climate system there exist several feedback loops between the two systems. For example, increasing CO2 modifies the climate which in turn impacts ocean circulation and therefore ocean CO2 uptake. Changes in marine ecosystems resulting from rising CO2 and/or changing climate can also result in changes in air-sea CO2 exchange. These feedbacks can change the role of the oceans in taking up atmospheric CO2 making it very difficult to predict how the ocean carbon cycle will operate in the future.



If you went scuba diving in the ocean on a still day and look up at the surface from about 30 feet down you can literally see tiny bubbles of gas entering the ocean. This is the CO2 displacement. The ocean swallows the CO2.

I guess there is no hope for us to agree since you know so much more than me and are unwilling to get along.

Global warming is a fact, it is the what is driving climate change and you probably are who I was thinking you were.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #165130
05/19/14 12:50 PM
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These feedbacks can change the role of the oceans in taking up atmospheric CO2 making it very difficult to predict how the ocean carbon cycle will operate in the future.
Yep, I agree.

I am not disputing the carbon cycle. Not sure what you are trying to say.

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If you went scuba diving in the ocean on a still day and look up at the surface from about 30 feet down you can literally see tiny bubbles of gas entering the ocean. This is the CO2 displacement. The ocean swallows the CO2.
I'm having a hard time accepting that. Could you provide some support?

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Global warming is a fact, it is the what is driving climate change
If either one is true, I would agree with the other. But I think you are making some sort of mathematical statement that is defined by itself. Been awhile, so I don't remember the term.


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and you probably are who I was thinking you were.
Nope. Sorry to disappoint you. I think you are paranoid.

Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #165647
06/04/14 02:50 PM
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AP: Drastic plunge in baby California pelicans — Zero born in multiple study areas — Expert: “The bottom dropped out”; From 1,000s to 10 or less, unknown why it’s occurring

Unknown why it's occurring? How much money does it take to cause someone to say they don't know why? Blame it on the weather, but no idea what really is happening, huh?

Could it be..... death by radiation?

Reports: “Experts agree many species of wildlife and fisheries are endangered globally due to large release of radioactivity into ocean” at Fukushima — “Has Fukushima radiation entered New Zealand ecosystem?”


Concerned officials now considering ban on Japan food items — Nuclear scientists previously told gov’t to halt all imports after finding high radiation levels — Never implemented due to fear of hurting bilateral relationship

That should shock you if nothing else would. Poison the rest of the people because of a "fear of hurting bilateral relationship"?! Guess it's spread the pain...

May 21, 2014: Wednesday [TEPCO] began to dump controlled quantities of water with low radioactivity into the sea. This is the method it plans to start using to reduce the alarming accumulation of contaminated liquid

Guess so. If you dump it now, it won't accumulate later.

Meanwhile, people in the US are changing their lightbulbs to those containing hazardous substance in an effort to make themselves feel like they are helping the mother earth god.

Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #165907
06/15/14 04:44 AM
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Haven't you ever been under the waves of the water and seen the very tiny (smaller than a millimeter) bubbles that do not come back up from the water? They very slowly fall into the water, and dissolve eventually. That is CO2 absorption happening. It creates a layer of tiny bubbles near the surface of the water but in the right conditions this layer can go very deep.

Have you ever seen a salt water fish tank? They don't use chemicals to lower the pH any more, they use CO2. And the bubbles do not percolate up, they stay inside the water until they absorb. You can literally SEE IT!

I have done many experiments with CO2 and College level studies on CO2 absorption. I know what I'm talking about.

The future of pH Balancing hydroponic growth chambers could be the use of CO2. But the problem is that it displaces O2 (Oxygen) which is more important to the roots. So the trick is to lower root temps (between 62-65 F) so it holds more O2, then the CO2 can be injected into the nutrient solution to lower the pH to as low as 5.8, which is ideal for many crops when hydroponically growing. Most hydroponic systems already use atmospheric CO2 for expedited growth but soon they could be injecting the nutrient solution too. As long as the environment is sealed they do not need to inject O2 into the solution because the plants produce enough themselves. They just place the air pumps for the bubblers in the grow area.



In a controlled environment with oceanic atmospheric pressure, as CO2 diffuses into the oceanic brine (salt water), the top, more concentrated layers (indicated in red) begin to sink in waves of tiny bubbles, triggering a convective process that churns up fresh brine and speeds the salt water’s CO2 uptake. The arrows in the last frame (right) indicate the direction of flow.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: jamesonofthunder] #165938
06/16/14 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted By: jamesonofthunder
Haven't you ever been under the waves of the water and seen the very tiny (smaller than a millimeter) bubbles that do not come back up from the water? They very slowly fall into the water, and dissolve eventually. That is CO2 absorption happening.
James, this comes across as so out in the wild yonder to me. But that doesn't mean it's not correct. I could just be ignorant.

So, you can convert me into a believer by presenting some scientific support
or...
you could continue with the "you can see" bit.

Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #165940
06/16/14 03:04 PM
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Think so-called global warming is killing 14 out of 15 newborn horses in Fukushima?
Better think again.

Think global warming threatens to decimate entire population” of species in Oregon — Sudden 50-fold increase in recent weeks — Entire ecosystem could be disrupted — “We have no clue”

Better think again. Think before you are fully assimilated by the government propaganda and are no longer able to think....

Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #165946
06/16/14 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted By: kland
Originally Posted By: jamesonofthunder
Haven't you ever been under the waves of the water and seen the very tiny (smaller than a millimeter) bubbles that do not come back up from the water? They very slowly fall into the water, and dissolve eventually. That is CO2 absorption happening.
James, this comes across as so out in the wild yonder to me. But that doesn't mean it's not correct. I could just be ignorant.

So, you can convert me into a believer by presenting some scientific support
or...
you could continue with the "you can see" bit.


The image I presented is from a scientific study, what do you think I designed that myself?


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #165947
06/16/14 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted By: kland
Think so-called global warming is killing 14 out of 15 newborn horses in Fukushima?
Better think again.

Think global warming threatens to decimate entire population” of species in Oregon — Sudden 50-fold increase in recent weeks — Entire ecosystem could be disrupted — “We have no clue”

Better think again. Think before you are fully assimilated by the government propaganda and are no longer able to think....


No, I do not think that. I think the Global warming issue is separate, and the Fukushima issue, and the fact that the Oceans are becoming so full of plastic that it is causing defects in fish and humans, and a thousand other issues are complimentary to each other, but not the same issue, except that Satan is loving it.



I have said it before, but you keep ignoring me that I believe Fukushima is a huge mess. But I was not talking about Fukushima here. I was keeping to the subject of the thread.

The issue of plastic in the oceans is a WAYYYY bigger issue than Fukushima if you want to address big issues. It has an immediate impact on every continent in the world.

The issue of global warming is even a smaller issue than the pollution we are pumping into the skies to cause global warming. But Global warming from air polution is still real.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #165948
06/16/14 08:26 PM
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Air and drinking water Pollution are our biggest threats...

"...Satan is exercising his power. He sweeps away the ripening harvest, and famine and distress follow. He imparts to the air a deadly taint, and thousands perish by the pestilence. These visitations are to become more and more frequent and disastrous. Destruction will be upon both man and beast. “The earth mourneth and fadeth away,” “The haughty people ... do languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.” Isaiah 24:4, 5.{CH 461.1}

The whole issue is about men forsaking God, forcing Him to withdraw His Spirit to protect us.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: jamesonofthunder] #165967
06/17/14 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted By: jamesonofthunder
Originally Posted By: kland
Originally Posted By: jamesonofthunder
Haven't you ever been under the waves of the water and seen the very tiny (smaller than a millimeter) bubbles that do not come back up from the water? They very slowly fall into the water, and dissolve eventually. That is CO2 absorption happening.
James, this comes across as so out in the wild yonder to me. But that doesn't mean it's not correct. I could just be ignorant.

So, you can convert me into a believer by presenting some scientific support
or...
you could continue with the "you can see" bit.


The image I presented is from a scientific study, what do you think I designed that myself?

But James, that doesn't show that the bubbles you see is carbon dioxide. And it was an illustration. How about some science.

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