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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: dedication] #164584
04/27/14 03:04 PM
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How would you answer this part from Sunday's study?
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Compare the two Sabbath commandments in Exodus 20:8-11 and Deuteronomy 5:12-15. In what ways do these relate to the theory that the Sabbath is not only for Jews?


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: dedication] #164587
04/27/14 03:50 PM
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Jesus created the seventh-day. It's not merely the day after the sixth-day. He created it for a specific purpose - to be observed as a Sabbath day. And what a special day! Yesterday is proof. Had a wonderful day. Thank you, Jesus.

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: Daryl] #164589
04/27/14 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted By: Daryl
How would you answer this part from Sunday's study?
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Compare the two Sabbath commandments in Exodus 20:8-11 and Deuteronomy 5:12-15. In what ways do these relate to the theory that the Sabbath is not only for Jews?


The two different renderings of the ten commandments is a strong support of the SDA idea of inspiration. Here we have two renderings of the same ten commandments but they do not have the same wording. Just like Jesus Christ in Matthew 5 shows us how to dig into the text to get a general idea of what God is telling us.

The one in Exodus gives the creation as the reason for keeping the seventh day, which is in harmony with the story in Genesis 2. The Deuteronomy rendering gives the release from slavery as the reason for keeping a special day. Does God have more that one purpose in what He is teaching us?

Jesus made it clear that the commandments have a much deeper meaning than what the Jews were teaching, and thus we see that the commandments have a universal meaning for all of mankind.


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: Daryl] #164590
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Originally Posted By: Daryl
How would you answer this part from Sunday's study?
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Compare the two Sabbath commandments in Exodus 20:8-11 and Deuteronomy 5:12-15. In what ways do these relate to the theory that the Sabbath is not only for Jews?

Ruth 1:16-17, "And Ruth said, Intreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God: Where thou diest, will I die, and there will I be buried: the Lord do so to me, and more also, if ought but death part thee and me." Do we not become citizens of the Kingdom of God; and are therefore required to live by the laws of the King? What say you?

However, the controversy is not over whether the Sabbath is only for the Jews or not - period -, but whether, with Christ and the dispersion of the gospel in each and every OTHER culture, the Sabbaths of the Jews were to be carried over as well.

After all, Canada, as a nation, like every other nation, has statutory Sabbaths too:

1. Christmas
2. Easter
3. Independence Day
4. Labour day
5. Family day
6. Thanksgiving
7. (Weekends)

And so forth ...

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: dedication] #164592
04/27/14 10:19 PM
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Isn't there a difference between the ceremonial sabbaths and the weekly 7th day sabbaths?


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: dedication] #164594
04/27/14 10:39 PM
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The Lost Meaning of the Seventh Day, by Sigve Tonstad, pages 183 and 197, are quoted in the teacher's edition of the current SS lesson, Christ and His Law, p. 63, chapter on the Sabbath. The point is that Sabbath healings are God's signature statement.


I think some of you have this book.

Last edited by Johann; 04/27/14 10:41 PM.

"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: dedication] #164595
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There is also this from Sunday's study:
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The most notable difference between the two commandments is the rationale for Sabbath observance. Exodus makes a direct reference to Genesis 2:3 as it elevates the fact that God both blessed and made holy the Sabbath day. On the other hand, Deuteronomy 5:15 points to Israel's divine deliverance from Egyptian bondage as being a rationale for Sabbath keeping. On the basis of the Deuteronomy text, many believe the Sabbath is only for the Jews. However, this argument totally ignores the fact that the Exodus text points to the Creation, when God established Sabbath for all humanity.

Furthermore, the Deuteronomy 5:15 reference to deliverance from Egypt is symbolic of the salvation we have in Christ. Hence, the Sabbath is a symbol not only of Creation but of Redemption, two themes that are linked with each other in the Bible (Heb. 1:1-3), Col. 1:13-20), John 1:1-14). Only by the fact that Jesus is our Creator could He also be our Redeemer, and the seventh-day sabbath is symbol of His work as both.


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Daryl smile

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: dedication] #164708
05/03/14 01:42 PM
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Here is a few things I came across...

In Genesis 2:1-3 we read that God blessed and sanctified the seventh day:

"Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."

The Hebrew word translated "sanctified" in Genesis 2:3 and "hallowed" in Exodus 20:11 is qadash, a word meaning "to hallow, to pronounce holy, to consecrate, to set apart for holy use."

Genesis 4:2-4
King James Version (KJV)

2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord.
4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

The words "in process of time" are translated from the Hebrew mikkets yamim, meaning "at the end of the days." This can only be telling us that on the Sabbath, Cain and Abel, with the rest of Adam's family, gathered to worship God.

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: dedication] #164875
05/10/14 05:21 AM
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Paul then emphasizes that it is impossible for the "mind set on the flesh" to submit to God's law, or even to please Him (Rom. 8:7-8, NASB). This is obviously not a reference to the struggling individual of Romans 7:13-25, since that person serves the law of God "with my mind" (Rom. 7:25, NASB).

We are more familiar with "carnal mind" for Rom 8:7. But given that Rom 7:25 says he serves the law of God with his mind, does the man of Rom 7:25 have a carnal mind?


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: dedication] #164890
05/10/14 07:53 PM
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From the quarterly
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Instead, God chose to send His Son as a Substitute for us, in that He received the just penalty for sin as required by the law on behalf of all people.
Say what? How does that save me? What we need is real substitution.

As I have posted before, in the fullest sense of the word, and to a degree that is seldom thought of when the expression is used, He became man's substitute. That is, He permeates our being, identifying Himself so fully with us that everything that touches or affects us touches and affects Him. He is not our substitute in the sense that one man is a substitute for another, in the army, for instance, the substitute being in one place, while the one for whom he is substitute is somewhere else, engaged in some other service. No; Christ's substitution is far different. He is our substitute in that He substitutes Himself for us, and we appear no more. We drop out entirely, so that it is "not I, but Christ." Thus we cast our cares on Him, not by picking them up and with an effort throwing them on Him, but by humbling ourselves into the nothingness that we are, so that we leave the burden resting on Him alone.

Further, G.E. Fifield, writing in the General Conference Daily Bulletin on Isaiah 53. The third verse (Isaiah 53:3-4) states and vividly contrasts the true and the false idea of Christ's mission, and of his work, and of the atonement. One is what was, and the other is what we thought was; one is truth, the other is falsehood; one is Christianity, the other is paganism. We would do well to study every thought in that text. "Surely he hath borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; he was pierced through by our misdeeds, and God permitted it because in his stripes there was healing for us. But we esteemed him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. Whose griefs? Whose sorrows? - Ours. The grief and the sorrow that crushed the heart of Christ, and took him from among the living, so that he died of a broken heart, was no strange, new grief or sorrow. It was not something unlike what we have to bear; it was not God arbitrarily putting upon him our sins, and thus punishing our sins in him to deliver us. He took no position arbitrarily that we do not have to suffer. It was our griefs and our sorrows that pierced him through. He took our sinful natures, and our sinful flesh, at the point of weakness to which we had brought it, submitting himself to all the conditions of the race, and placing himself where we are to fight the conflict that we have to fight, the fight of faith. And he did this by the same power to which we have access. By the Spirit of God he cast out devils; through the eternal Spirit he offered himself without spot; and the Spirit of God rested upon him, and made him of quick understanding in the things of God. It was our sins that he took; our temptations. {February 12, 1897 N/A, GCDB 13.1}


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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