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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: dedication] #165066
05/16/14 06:08 PM
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This lesson indicates some have made wrong conclusions based on the KJV:

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Influenced by the translation of 1 John 3:4 in the King James Version ("sin is the transgression of the law"), many restrict sin to the violation of the Ten Commandments alone. However, a more literal translation is: "sin is lawlessness" (NKJV) (anomia). Anything that goes against the principles of God is sin. Hence, although the Ten Commandments had not yet been formally revealed when Adam ate the forbidden fruit, he violated a command of God (Gen. 2:17) and was consequently guilty of sin. Indeed, it is through the sin of Adam that the curse of death has affected all generations of humanity (Rom. 5:12, 17, 21).


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: dedication] #165072
05/16/14 10:14 PM
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When one considers that the law is simply a transcript of God's character, "sin is anomia" teaches us that sin is anything against God's character.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: Mountain Man] #165075
05/17/14 01:08 AM
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Are you saying that the Holy Spirit actually enters us and leaves us like a yo yo each time we sin?
Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
James, the Holy Spirit cannot dwell within people who are not consciously, continually choosing to abide in Jesus. Repentance restores the relationship sin severs. So, yes, it means the Holy Spirit is in and out. His location, however, does not undo rebirth or the maturation achieved while abiding in Jesus. Of course, if the Holy Spirit is forced out for a long period of time, ground gained is lost and rebirth is necessary.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: Daryl] #165080
05/17/14 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted By: Daryl
M: James, the Holy Spirit cannot dwell within people who are not consciously, continually choosing to abide in Jesus. Repentance restores the relationship sin severs. So, yes, it means the Holy Spirit is in and out. His location, however, does not undo rebirth or the maturation achieved while abiding in Jesus. Of course, if the Holy Spirit is forced out for a long period of time, ground gained is lost and rebirth is necessary.

D: Are you saying that the Holy Spirit actually enters us and leaves us like a yo yo each time we sin?

People who are abiding in Jesus do not sin. They cannot sin while abiding in Jesus. They must neglect or refuse to abide in Jesus and then all they can do is sin. The Holy Spirit cannot dwell within them while they are thus divorced from Jesus.

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: Mountain Man] #165084
05/17/14 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Originally Posted By: Daryl
M: James, the Holy Spirit cannot dwell within people who are not consciously, continually choosing to abide in Jesus. Repentance restores the relationship sin severs. So, yes, it means the Holy Spirit is in and out. His location, however, does not undo rebirth or the maturation achieved while abiding in Jesus. Of course, if the Holy Spirit is forced out for a long period of time, ground gained is lost and rebirth is necessary.

D: Are you saying that the Holy Spirit actually enters us and leaves us like a yo yo each time we sin?

People who are abiding in Jesus do not sin. They cannot sin while abiding in Jesus. They must neglect or refuse to abide in Jesus and then all they can do is sin. The Holy Spirit cannot dwell within them while they are thus divorced from Jesus.

What would it take for you to understand ONE important principle: that just as Jesus was IMMANUEL, and even washed the feet of his disciples who would later betray, deny and forsake him, so the Spirit dwells with you.

There is no coming and going and demanding perfection or else .... Rather, He is ever leading you through the Bible in the path of righteousness; and it is your responsibility to follow and not draw back. Again I ask you, "Do you really KNOW God?" Consider the way He lead those of old and be wise; for He is the same, yesterday, today and forever.

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: dedication] #165086
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How does Ephesians 4:30 fit into these last few posts?
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Eph 4:30 AKJV And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby you are sealed to the day of redemption.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: Daryl] #165087
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Originally Posted By: Daryl
How does Ephesians 4:30 fit into these last few posts?
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Eph 4:30 AKJV And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby you are sealed to the day of redemption.

Much like a teenager who causes sorrow for his father, but who is not put out the house for the least infraction. His father has compassion on him, does he not? He wonders how he would live if he had no home; and so he bears the pain and seeks to bring his son back instead.

But should the son be grown, and set in his ways and offends even more, then regretably, he lets him go. Is it not written, "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing! See, your house is left to you desolate." The Jews, as a nation, had grieved the Holy Spirit many times; yet He stretched out His hand all the more until, seeing there was no hope anymore, He gave them up and walked away. He wept over the city.

JUST AS JESUS CHRIST WALKED WITH HIS DISCIPLES, so the Holy Spirit is with you. Look at who they were, how he guided them, how he spoke to them, what he said and did, who denied him and how he responded, who betrayed him and what he said. Because, that is EXACTLY the same way the Holy Spirit walks and talks with you. Are you His disciple in truth? If you are, then "you are sealed to the day of redemption."

So much of what is said in churches today, arguments over supposedly obscure oracles, is so easy to grasp and understand if looked through the lens of Christ's public ministry. He was the living, breathing, visibly real revelation of God with us. Now we know Him.

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: dedication] #165091
05/17/14 04:10 PM
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James, neglecting or refusing to abide in Jesus results in sinning. The Holy Spirit does not forsake of abandon; instead, He works to impress, inspire and offers repentance.

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: dedication] #165115
05/18/14 11:13 PM
05/18/14 11:13 PM
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God is omnipresent - He's everywhere. But sometimes, His presence is ignored.

Here's something I wrote a while back that touches on this.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=232720450206766&id=100004064395239


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: Mountain Man] #165124
05/19/14 05:19 AM
05/19/14 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
James, neglecting or refusing to abide in Jesus results in sinning. The Holy Spirit does not forsake of abandon; instead, He works to impress, inspire and offers repentance.

I'm happy you've come to realize that. Nevertheless, when He leaves you, you become the "son of the evil one". For that reason, Jesus referred to the Scribes and Pharisees as "brood of vipers and serpents", and said plainly that their father was the devil. In other words, there comes a point beyond which the persistent sinner is irredeemable.

To prevent yourself from even reaching that threshold, it is advisable that you minister to the less fortunate and willingly, helpfully bear the burden of others. Your heart will be touched and you will, through your ministry, become in character, just like God. But there are many who merely speak empty words in futile debates and they love that and think themsleves to have arrived with their knowledge.

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