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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: asygo] #165175
05/20/14 03:13 AM
05/20/14 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted By: asygo
Originally Posted By: James Peterson
Dear SDA, unlike what you have been fed, the Ten Commandments as all the rest of the Jewish Old Testament laws as given by God served only to teach us how to express that love. Doing them and marking up a chalkboard of merits in no way commends you to God. Rather out of the sanctified heart will pour rivers of living water, and your life will bear the fruit of the Spirit abiding in you. You will naturally be righteous, falling yes, but ever rising, ever hopeful, ever longing for the glory to come. Love will be your food and drink and you will grow thereby.

Do not return to the vomit of pride in Sabbath-keeping again, please. For the end thereof is death. (Mark 3:1-6)

You have been fed the error that partial obedience is acceptable. God taught us how to love. Don't return to the vomit of pride in thinking man has come up with a better plan.

You have so many good things to offer, but your pride makes it stink. That just goes to show that knowledge tends to puff one up unless filled with the Holy Spirit. He didn't go away, but you have to start listening.

Did you read Mark 3:1-6? I don't think so. And lest you be hasty in your self-righteous judgement, consider 1 John 2:1, "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. AND IF ANY MAN SIN, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous."

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: Rosangela] #165177
05/20/14 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted By: Rosangela
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Have you ever wondered what is sin? It says, "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth ALSO the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." So there are sins which do not IMMEDIATELY appear to be infractions of the law, but ultimately are.

They do not appear to be infractions of the law because of the person's ignorance of the law. Every sin is covered by the Ten Commandments.

Thayer's definition of anomia:

1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it

1. Thayer doesn't know what he is talking about.

2. Every sin is NOT covered by the Ten Commandments. For example, if you asked your sibling to do something for you, to which he agreed, yet reneged on his promise, he has sinned against you. That has nothing to do with the Decalogue. For him it is a sin, and a sin before you. Similarly, if you deliberately jumped a red light while driving, you are guilty of sin against society. There is no law in the Scriptures against jumping a red light, but by being granted a license to drive, you entered into an agreement to obey all the traffic laws of the land. You have sinned against the Board. That has nothing to do with the Decalogue.

For those reasons, there is another definition for sin, given by Paul, "he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for WHATSOEVER IS NOT OF FAITH IS SIN." (Rom. 14:23) In other words, if you dismiss your conscience, you will be found guilty; whether what you believe is true or not.

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: dedication] #165179
05/20/14 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted By: james
For example, if you asked your sibling to do something for you, to which he agreed, yet reneged on his promise, he has sinned against you. That has nothing to do with the Decalogue.
Nothing? NOTHING?


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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: APL] #165182
05/20/14 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted By: APL
Originally Posted By: james
For example, if you asked your sibling to do something for you, to which he agreed, yet reneged on his promise, he has sinned against you. That has nothing to do with the Decalogue.
Nothing? NOTHING?

Exodus 20

12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: dedication] #165183
05/20/14 12:39 PM
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NOTHING? Your example fits the ninth.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: APL] #165185
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Originally Posted By: APL
NOTHING? Your example fits the ninth.

In what way, pray tell?

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: James Peterson] #165186
05/20/14 04:03 PM
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1. Thayer doesn't know what he is talking about.

I've never read anything so absurd! How long have you studied Greek? So a Greek scholar, who wrote a Greek lexicon, doesn't know what he is talking about?

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Every sin is NOT covered by the Ten Commandments. For example, if you asked your sibling to do something for you, to which he agreed, yet reneged on his promise, he has sinned against you. That has nothing to do with the Decalogue. For him it is a sin, and a sin before you. Similarly, if you deliberately jumped a red light while driving, you are guilty of sin against society. There is no law in the Scriptures against jumping a red light, but by being granted a license to drive, you entered into an agreement to obey all the traffic laws of the land. You have sinned against the Board. That has nothing to do with the Decalogue.

Not fulfilling a promise is lying, wherher to a sister or to society; it's bearing a false witness against (to the detriment of) your neighbor. Besides, you are robbing them from the loyalty/veracity/honesty you owe to them as a fellow human being. It's easy (for those who can see the far-reaching claims of the law) to see that these are transgressions of the law.

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: James Peterson] #165188
05/20/14 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted By: James Peterson
Did you read Mark 3:1-6? I don't think so. And lest you be hasty in your self-righteous judgement, consider 1 John 2:1, "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. AND IF ANY MAN SIN, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous."

There's no problem with the verses. The problem is your being obnoxious and arrogant. That says much more about your teachings than the verses you cite in vain.

If someone is wrong, just point it out and we can learn truth. But if you stand as an accuser of the brethren, we just learn that you're a jerk. It's up to you what you want us to learn.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: Rosangela] #165193
05/20/14 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rosangela
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1. Thayer doesn't know what he is talking about.

I've never read anything so absurd! How long have you studied Greek? So a Greek scholar, who wrote a Greek lexicon, doesn't know what he is talking about?

Rosangela, not sure if you really intend to endorse Thayer, or any scribe, whatever their expertise - many spring from Rome as you know.
Bible scholars are frequently wrong on fundamental issues.
Thayer was a contemporary (1828-1901) of the Great Advent Movement, living in Massachusetts, a Harvard graduate immersed in the church. He surely heard of W. Miller and Joshua Himes, yet probably remained a Sunday keeper despite his Greek scholarship, or because of it.

Since lexicons and dictionaries contain men's definitions, we shouldn't lean upon them for Bible understanding.
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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: Rosangela] #165197
05/20/14 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rosangela
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1. Thayer doesn't know what he is talking about.

I've never read anything so absurd! How long have you studied Greek? So a Greek scholar, who wrote a Greek lexicon, doesn't know what he is talking about?

Not sure if you really mean that Rosangela. Many Bible scholars have been wrong on fundamental points. Thayer was a contemporary (1828-1901) of the the Great Advent Movement, a Harvard grad immersed in the church. He'd surely heard of William Miller and Joshua Himes, yet probably lived his life as a Sunday keeper despite his Greek scholarship, or due to it.

Since lexicons and dictionaries contain men's definitions,
we can't lean upon them for Bible understanding.
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