1) Christ had POST FALL flesh, like his brothers, the seed of Abraham. Hebrews 2:16-18 For truly he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. 17 Why in all things it behooved him to be made like to his brothers, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that he himself has suffered being tempted, he is able to succor them that are tempted.

2) The story of Bethlehem is an exhaustless theme. In it is hidden "the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God." Romans 11:33. We marvel at the Saviour's sacrifice in exchanging the throne of heaven for the manger, and the companionship of adoring angels for the beasts of the stall. Human pride and self-sufficiency stand rebuked in His presence. Yet this was but the beginning of His wonderful condescension. It would have been an almost infinite humiliation for the Son of God to take man's nature, even when Adam stood in his innocence in Eden. But Jesus accepted humanity when the race had been weakened by four thousand years of sin. Like every child of Adam He accepted the results of the working of the great law of heredity. What these results were is shown in the history of His earthly ancestors. He came with such a heredity to share our sorrows and temptations, and to give us the example of a sinless life. {DA 48.5}

Christ condemned sin in the flesh, and when He has purged our sin, sat down on the right hand of the Father.

Ellen White ties self to sinful flesh. "All selfishness is expelled," thus "denying self as did Christ" must necessarily refer to denying sinful flesh self. It is sinful flesh that lusts, desires, craves, clamors for self expression - not the heart, mind, nature of the new man. The heart, mind, nature of the old man is dead. It has ceased. Sinful flesh, however, remains alive and well.

Sinful flesh cannot actually sin or corrupt or contaminate - it can only tempt and annoy. Having sinful flesh is not a sin. Being tempted from within by sinful flesh is not a sin. Anyone who is battling "selfishness" is not abiding in Jesus. Selfishness is tied to the heart, mind, nature of the old man. While abiding in Jesus, the old man is dead.

To encounter or experience selfishness, therefore, people must neglect or reject or Jesus, and the vacuum is instantly, immediately filled by the resurrected heart, mind, nature of the old man. While abiding in the heart, mind, nature of the old man, selfishness reigns supreme. "All that man can do without Christ is polluted with selfishness and sin." {SC 59.4}

Conversely, people who complete the process of conversion in God's appointed way and are abiding in Jesus grow in grace and mature daily in the fruits of the Spirit. While abiding in Jesus all that they think, say, and do is - "pure and holy and undefiled". Ellen White makes it clear - The righteous results of abiding in Jesus are pure, holy, harmless, undefiled, wholly acceptable to God, without spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing.

If, as you seem to think, the "pure and holy and undefiled" results of abiding in Jesus are transformed into something evil, sinful as they pass through corrupt human channels, it stands to reason, then, you also think Jesus needs to remove, cleanse, restore it to its original loveliness. Just exactly what is it about passing through corrupt human channels that transforms the fruit of abiding in Jesus into something evil, sinful?

The fact the fruit of abiding in Jesus lacks merit is a huge, huge, huge problem. I have repeatedly said so over and over again (not to be redundant or repetitious).

By the way, Ellen White had lots to say about human channels. Not all of it is bad. ... Obviously, not everything she said about human channels is bad.

The idea that the fruit of Jesus acting through human channels is evil, sinful is difficult to swallow.

You still miss the point. Even holy flesh is called human nature by inspiration.

Given that human nature, He "has carried the same into the highest heaven."

Lucky for you.

With the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin. Most of us have to battle selfishness. Too bad for us.

Because of their selfishness and earthliness, even the disciples of Jesus could not comprehend the spiritual glory which He sought to reveal unto them. It was not until after Christ's ascension to His Father, and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon the believers, that the disciples fully appreciated the Saviour's character and mission. {DA 506.4}

One is sowing to the flesh, thinking and acting in accordance with the promptings of his own heart; the other is sowing to the Spirit, seeking to repress selfishness, to overcome inclination, and to live in obedience to the Master, whose servant he professes to be. Thus there is a perpetual difference of taste, of inclination, and of purpose. Unless the believer shall, through his steadfast adherence to principle, win the impenitent, he will, as is much more common, become discouraged and sell his religious principles for the poor companionship of one who has no connection with heaven. {4T 507.3}

It looks like selfishness is not totally gone from believers.

Given that human nature, He "has carried the same into the highest heaven."

[God] abhors all selfishness and covetousness. {OHC 225.2}

All selfishness comes from Satan. {LHU 292.2}

Christ strikes at the root of all selfishness. {5T 204.2}

All selfishness must be cut out by the roots. {RC 287.6}

Our souls must be purified from all selfishness; for God desires to use His people as representatives of the heavenly kingdom. {6T 190.3}

The true Christian banishes all selfishness from his heart. . . . The true Christian works unselfishly and untiringly for the Master. {OHC 287}

Bible conversion will lead to constant and abiding activity, which will be free from all selfishness, all self-exaltation, and all boastful claims of holiness. {SD 334.3}

But few have a true sense of what is comprised in the word Christian. It is to be Christlike, to do others good, to be divested of all selfishness, and to have our lives marked with acts of disinterested benevolence. {2T 331.1}

For "if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." That which was objectionable in the character is purified from the soul by the love of Jesus. All selfishness is expelled, all envy, all evil-speaking, is rooted out, and a radical transformation is wrought in the heart. "The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law." "The fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace. {RH, July 22, 1890 par. 15}

Christ lives in them, and the power of His Spirit attends their efforts. They realize that they are to live in this world the life that Jesus lived--a life free from all selfishness; and He enables them to bear witness for Him that draws souls to the cross of Calvary.--ST, Apr. 9, 1902.{DG 81.4}

No one can be omnipotent, but all can cleanse themselves from filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of the Lord. God requires every soul to be pure and holy. We have hereditary tendencies to wrong. This is a part of self that no one need carry about. It is a weakness of humanity to pet selfishness, because it is a natural trait of character. But unless all selfishness is put away, unless self is crucified, we can never be holy as God is holy. There is in humanity a tendency to suspicious imagining, which circumstances quicken into lively growth. If this trait is indulged, it spoils the character and ruins the soul. {FLB 140.4}

It looks like selfishness is not totally gone from believers.

1) You said sinless, immature Adam had no problem at all without merit. But sinful, mature Adam has huge problems without merit. You have two cases, both without merit, but one has a problem and the other is OK.

2) Find one place where she speaks favorably of the CORRUPT channels of humanity. Human channels can be good, but find one place where she said CORRUPTION is good.

Truth must be allowed to exercise its cleansing power upon the lives of these rulers. {RH, November 28, 1907 par. 7}

The blood of Christ will avail for none but those who feel their need of its cleansing power. {RH, November 18, 1909 par. 5}

The atonement and the intercession of Christ in their behalf should inspire the human agent with zeal and earnestness to set forth the truth and the riches of Divine grace, and the quickening influence of the cleansing power of the Holy Spirit will avail to touch the heart and convert the soul. {21MR 294.5}

There are many who need the cleansing power of the Holy Spirit in their hearts. {2SAT 265.5}

Through the cleansing power of the Holy Spirit, we can be made vessels meet for the Master's use. {BCL 56.3}

When in speech and action you give way to passion, you are acting as a sinner, and as a sinner you are under condemnation, needing to repent and be converted. But when the life is surrendered to the cleansing power of the truth, a change takes place. God's Spirit is at work in the heart, bringing the truth forward into the strong light of distinct consciousness. The spirit of stubborn resistance is taken away, and a life-giving power takes possession of mind and heart. This experience you need daily to have. As the repentant sinner pleads for the cleansing efficacy of Christ's grace, a voice speaks to him, saying, "A new heart will I give thee. The soul is cleansed, the highest powers of the being are roused to action." {BCL 66.2}

Those who have experienced the cleansing efficacy of the blood of Christ upon their hearts will be like their Master, pure, peaceable, and lowly of heart. {LS80 211.3}

Praise the Lord that you have felt the cleansing efficacy of the Saviour's blood. {UL 335.5}

If the truth is enthroned in our hearts, we shall live its principles. Our lives will reveal its cleansing efficacy. {ST, November 29, 1899 par. 7}

Excellent point! And this brings us back to my first attempt to correct the lie being perpetrated on this thread.

God has adopted human nature in the person of His Son, and has carried the same (human nature) into the highest heaven. It is the “Son of man” who shares the throne of the universe. It is the “Son of man” whose name shall be called, “Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” Isaiah 9:6. The I AM is the Daysman between God and humanity, laying His hand upon both. He who is “holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners,” is not ashamed to call us brethren. Hebrews 7:26; 2:11.{Hvn 72.2}

Jesus brought sinful flesh into heaven? If this is the same "human nature" that He had on earth then there is something amiss in how you interpret those texts Mt Man.

And here is another point...

Through inspiration Mrs White calls babies "innocent" over and over. They may be born fallen, without the divine nature, the "white robe of Character" but their brain is a blank slate ready to be impressed with neural input and because they have not reached the age of accountability, so they are innocent..

Jesus was born just like every other child who had ever been born before or after. The main difference is that His Father was not from earth and He had HIS character, and he had a mother who was completely convicted in righteousness who set out to raise Him with the grace of God leading her. This Character is the only advantage Jesus had in this life. He was raised among fallen human beings in the likeness of sinful flesh, but He had His Fathers Character. The divine nature blended with the Human.

"The Bible says of Jesus, “And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon Him.” As He worked in childhood and youth, mind and body were developed. He did not use His physical powers recklessly, but gave them such exercise as would keep them in health, that He might do the best work in every line. He was not willing to be defective, even in the handling of tools. He was perfect as a workman, as He was perfect in character. By precept and example Christ has dignified useful labor."5{AH 507.2}

Without their earthly father being perfect other babies have the disadvantage of a sinful influence and as soon as the child establishes wrong thought processes on the blank slate of the mind they are already going down the wrong path leading to sin.

"The parents’ work must begin with the child in its infancy, that it may receive the right impress of character ere the world shall place its stamp on mind and heart." 3{CG 193.3}

This is the development of the mind and there are several books from Mrs White that deals with this issue throughout. "Mind Character and Personality" "Child Guidance" etc.

Jesus had the character of His heavenly dad not His earthly dad.

He never developed sinful habits or desires. That is where sinful flesh is developed. He never developed sinful flesh.

If APL and Mt Man could at least agree with this then we would be on the right path here.