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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law
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1. that the Law of Christ is the LAW OF LOVE,
2. that the Ten Commandments (as all of the OT) were given to teach LOVE,
3. that Christ revealed that LOVE, for our example,
4. that we who believe will not be judged (having passed from the condemnation of death to the hope of eternal life through our faith by the grace of God),
5. that, being full of LOVE, we naturally do not sin, hence the commandment that "Ye love one another as I have loved you" and again, "By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one for another",
6. that specifically about the Sabbath:
a) it was given as a safeguard against forgetfulness of our Creator, and
b) it remains forever among His people, for those who LOVE HIM.
The very foundation of THE THRONE OF OUR GOD IS LOVE (Rev. 22:1), not the Decalogue, not legalism and certainly not fear (2 Cor. 13:11, 1 John 4:17-18). This is good, with some caveats: All will be judged, but believers will not be condemned. Everyone lives and dies, then the judgement. But there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus. Even though we can be filled with love, we cannot say that "we naturally do not sin." In fact, if we say we have no sin, the truth is not in us. We can say that we supernaturally do not sin, but even that must be tempered. Yes, we can love each other, but it's not a sinless love. God's kingdom is founded on love. God gave us the Decalogue to teach us love. We agree so far. But to say that the foundation is love and not the Decalogue presumes that they contradict. To claim to love while disobeying the law is an empty claim. Otherwise, it's pretty good.
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law
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In the context of this week's lesson, how did Jesus relate to the law given in the OT?
"You have heard it said.... but I say....." Was Jesus throwing out the lessons He had given to man? Did He realize He had made a mistake and so gave us different instructions on how to love?
Or was He changing, not His mind, but the misunderstandings of man regarding His will? The Bible is written by inspired men, but it is not God's mode of thought and expression. It is that of humanity. God, as a writer, is not represented. Men will often say such an expression is not like God. But God has not put Himself in words, in logic, in rhetoric, on trial in the Bible. The writers of the Bible were God's penmen, not His pen. Look at the different writers. {1SM 21.1} It is not the words of the Bible that are inspired, but the men that were inspired. Inspiration acts not on the man's words or his expressions but on the man himself, who, under the influence of the Holy Ghost, is imbued with thoughts. But the words receive the impress of the individual mind. The divine mind is diffused. The divine mind and will is combined with the human mind and will; thus the utterances of the man are the word of God.-- Manuscript 24, 1886 (written in Europe in 1886). {1SM 21.2} Hebrews 1:1-3 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 Has in these last days spoken to us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high: Mark 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! Truth came forth from the lips of Jesus, uncorrupted with human philosophy. His words were from heaven, such as mortal lips had never spoken nor mortal ears ever heard. His heart was an altar on which burned the flames of infinite love. Goodness, mercy, and love were enthroned in the breast of the Son of God. He set up his tabernacle in the midst of our human encampment, pitched his tent by the side of the tents of men, that he might dwell among them and make them familiar with his divine character and love. {ST, January 20, 1890 par. 9}
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law
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In the context of this week's lesson, how did Jesus relate to the law given in the OT?
"You have heard it said.... but I say....." Was Jesus throwing out the lessons He had given to man? Did He realize He had made a mistake and so gave us different instructions on how to love?
Or was He changing, not His mind, but the misunderstandings of man regarding His will? Christ was MAGNIFYING THE LAW. It's like looking at a leaf. A real leaf doesn't look that much different from a well made artificial leaf until one looks at it with a magnifying glass. Then one sees the complexity of the living leaf, while the artificial one is just a bunch of coarse threads. The law says, "Do not murder" but let's look at that law with a magnifying glass. If you have hate in heart against someone you are already guilty of murder in your heart. The law says "Do not commit adultery" but let's look at that law with a magnifying glass. If you are lusting after someone you are already guilty of adultery in your heart. The command says "An eye of an eye, a tooth for a tooth" But people used that command to excuse their revengefully thoughts and actions, thus using this command to excuse their breaking of the sixth commandment . There is nothing wrong with the command in it's rightful use (judges who must deal with criminals need to be sure the punishment fits the crime and never exceeds it) however, this is no excuse or license to excuse revengeful thoughts and actions. " but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. "
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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law
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The quarterly says: Israel would be the people through whom the nations of the earth received the blessings promised to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. However, the blessings were by no means automatic. As a chosen nation, Israel was expected to walk in harmony with the Lord's will.
We often think of walking in God's will as the prerequisite to receiving His blessings. But what if walking in His will constituted the blessing? What if the blessing was that God would enable us, once again, to live according to His plan for us? How does that change of paradigm affect our outreach and our nurture activities?
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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The Bible is written by inspired men, but it is not God's mode of thought and expression. It is that of humanity. God, as a writer, is not represented. Men will often say such an expression is not like God. But God has not put Himself in words, in logic, in rhetoric, on trial in the Bible. The writers of the Bible were God's penmen, not His pen. Look at the different writers. {1SM 21.1}
It is not the words of the Bible that are inspired, but the men that were inspired. Inspiration acts not on the man's words or his expressions but on the man himself, who, under the influence of the Holy Ghost, is imbued with thoughts. But the words receive the impress of the individual mind. The divine mind is diffused. The divine mind and will is combined with the human mind and will; thus the utterances of the man are the word of God.-- Manuscript 24, 1886 (written in Europe in 1886). {1SM 21.2}
Hebrews 1:1-3 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 Has in these last days spoken to us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
Mark 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! Truth came forth from the lips of Jesus, uncorrupted with human philosophy. His words were from heaven, such as mortal lips had never spoken nor mortal ears ever heard. His heart was an altar on which burned the flames of infinite love. Goodness, mercy, and love were enthroned in the breast of the Son of God. He set up his tabernacle in the midst of our human encampment, pitched his tent by the side of the tents of men, that he might dwell among them and make them familiar with his divine character and love. {ST, January 20, 1890 par. 9} You're confused. Either it was inspired (without fault) or not (susceptible to errors). Make up your mind. ///
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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law
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All will be judged, but believers will not be condemned. Everyone lives and dies, then the judgement. But there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus. Do you have eternal life? Even though we can be filled with love, we cannot say that "we naturally do not sin." In fact, if we say we have no sin, the truth is not in us. We can say that we supernaturally do not sin, but even that must be tempered. Yes, we can love each other, but it's not a sinless love. He who truly loves cannot and does not sin. Hence the commandment to love. Have you ever been in love? God's kingdom is founded on love. God gave us the Decalogue to teach us love. We agree so far. But to say that the foundation is love and not the Decalogue presumes that they contradict. To claim to love while disobeying the law is an empty claim. "Have you never read what David did when he was in need and hungry, he and those with him: how he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the showbread, WHICH IS NOT LAWFUL TO EAT EXCEPT FOR THE PRIESTS, and also gave some to those who were with him?" (Mark 2:25-26) Was Abiathar guiltless in this matter? ///
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In the context of this week's lesson, how did Jesus relate to the law given in the OT?
"You have heard it said.... but I say....." Was Jesus throwing out the lessons He had given to man? Did He realize He had made a mistake and so gave us different instructions on how to love?
Or was He changing, not His mind, but the misunderstandings of man regarding His will? He said, "I came to live it out before you." As John testified, "For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ." (John 1:17) In other words, Jesus was saying, "You have heard a certain interpretation of the text before, but I tell you: this is the true meaning of it all: LET LOVE REIGN IN YOUR HEARTS FOR GOD, AND ONE FOR ANOTHER." ///
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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law
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LESSON 9
Christ, the Law and the Gospel
Memory Text: For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ (John 1:17, NKJV).
The law is an important part of the topic of Christ our righteousness. Yet it is often a controversial subject. There are some who speak little of Christ, while they spend much time preaching the law and profess to honor God's law. There are others who speak much of believing in Christ but to a large extent reject the law spoken by His own voice on Mount Sinai.
We must preach CHRIST in the law, for only this will bring home the truth of the wonderful gift of salvation from sin, and give power and nourishment in the message that will feed the spiritual life and growth of the people.
So what does it mean -- the law came through Moses?
It does NOT mean Moses originated the law, for we know God Himself spoke the commands from Mount Sinai.
God Himself wrote that law on tables of stone with His own finger.
Yet it was Moses who brought those tablets of stone down to the people. But sadly, for many it remained only the commandments written on the tablets of stone.
but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ
We can give a fine talk on the commandments of God, but it will not accomplish a truly reformed life, UNLESS Christ dwells in the heart and writes His magnified law upon our hearts and minds.
Through the presence of Christ in our lives and thoughts, His law is written upon the fleshly tablets of our hearts thus transforming our very lives.
Thus Christ, the gospel, His law, are intermingled as one in the Christ Our Righteousness. When we receive Christ, we receive righteousness, we receive His law magnified by the law of love, we receive godly love.
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