There's no problem about Jesus bearing sin in His body. The problem is when people say He had sin in His mind and spirit. They teach that Jesus had the same selfish nature that sinners do. That's a problem.

"Christ took our nature, fallen but not corrupted, and would not be corrupted unless He received the words of Satan in the place of the words of God."

Can anyone give even one example of another human who was "fallen but not corrupted"? If not, people just need to stop spreading the lie that Jesus was just like us.

Note how Ellen White uses the words same and likeness:


It's hard to argue the word "likeness" doesn't mean the "same".

Never can we equal the goodness and the love of Jesus, but he calls upon every man and woman, youth and child, to behold him, and by beholding his perfection of character, to become changed into his image. {ST, November 28, 1892 par. 7}

He is a perfect and holy example, given for us to imitate. We cannot equal the pattern; but we shall not be approved of God if we do not copy it and, according to the ability which God has given, resemble it. {2T 549.1}

Not really. Finding a pile of quotes with "same" and "likeness" together doesn't mean what you think it means.

We are to be united with Christ in the likeness of His death. Seeing as you type a lot, I assume you are not nailed to a cross. Context is crucial.

What's hard is to argue that the Bible and SOP teach that we will be exactly like Jesus. Likeness, but not duplicate.

MM, I read your post, but couldn't find the answer.

Is Christ's nature, which is promised to us, which is far above Adam's forfeited nature, the carnal, sinful nature? Is sinful flesh far above Adam's holy flesh?

asygo says Christ was different than other humans.

Hebrews 2:17-18 Why in all things it behooved him to be made like to his brothers, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that he himself has suffered being tempted, he is able to succor them that are tempted.

Hm - "in all things it behooved him to be make like his brothers". Does all things not mean all things?

Just to be clear, Ellen White also wrote:


Jesus took upon His sinless, divine nature our weak, fallen, sinful, degraded, defiled, suffering human nature. His human nature was the same likeness, perfectly identical with our own. But, praise the Lord, He did not add corruption by sinning or cultivating sinful traits of character. His mind, heart, and character was free of sin, without spot or fault.

The same thing is true of born-again, changed, converted, transformed believers. Like Jesus, they are free of selfishness, free of defective traits of character, and free of sinful propensities. Nevertheless, like Jesus, they also possess sinful flesh, which wars against them, tempts them from within to be unlike Jesus, tempts them to indulge their innocent and legitimate needs in unChristlike ways. The only human difference between them and Jesus is meritorious righteousness.

You asked - "Are you saying that Jesus had exactly the same corrupt nature that we do?" Human nature is a composite of will, mind, body, flesh, and character. Jesus' human nature was the same, perfectly identical to our own - except for the fact He never sinned, He never cultivated sinful traits of character.

True, genuine, thoroughly converted born-again believers are dead to sin and awake to righteousness, free of selfishness, free of defective traits of character, free of sinful propensities. The righteous results of abiding in Jesus are - pure, holy, undefiled, without spot, wrinkle, or blemish, wholly acceptable to God. However, their fruit lacks merit and, as such, requires the atoning, cleansing power and perfume of Christ's blood and righteousness to be purely acceptable.

Again, Ellen White wrote - "He did not leave us . . . to serve Him as best we could in the corruption of our sinful nature." It sounds like you are saying something very different. It seems like you are saying born-again believers have no choice but to serve and obey Jesus in the corruption of sinful human nature.

The expression "without the taint of sin" refers to sinning, transgressing the law of God. Jesus never sinned, therefore, He was free of the taint of sin. The expression cannot apply to the "likeness of sinful flesh" He possessed. Jesus became sin. He bore the sins of the world in His flesh. He condemned the sin in His flesh by refusing to act out its unholy lusts, desires, clamorings, cravings.

MM,

The expression "without the taint of sin" refers to the humanity Christ took, not to the humanity He developed. Thus, it could only apply to the "likeness of sinful flesh" He possessed. Thus,

He was born without a taint of sin, but came into the world in like manner as the human family. He did not have a mere semblance of a body, but He took human nature, participating in the life of humanity.{7BC 925.5}

To avoid this conclusion, you had to adopt the absurd view that babies sin before they are born.

Ellen White says Christ had no propensities to sin. To avoid the conclusion that this applied to the "likeness of sinful flesh" He possessed, you are saying that born-again believers are "free of selfishness, free of defective traits of character, free of sinful propensities." But in born-again believers these things are subdued, not eradicated (which will only happen at Christ's coming).

The love of Christ will subdue the carnal propensities. The truth not only bears within itself the evidence of its heavenly origin, but proves that by the grace of God’s Spirit it is effectual in the purification of the soul. The Lord would have us come to Him daily with all our troubles and confessions of sin, and He can give us rest in wearing His yoke and bearing His burden. His Holy Spirit, with its gracious influences, will fill the soul, and every thought will be brought into subjection to the obedience of Christ.{5T 648.1}

However, in relation to Christ, she says that "not for one moment was there in Him an evil propensity." In us, they are subdued, crucified; in Him, they were nonexistent.

YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND! Jesus did not ONLY have the fallen human nature. The great mystery is that He had TWO NATURES! You do not understand this it is so obvious!!!! And beyond that you make His Human nature look common.

"Was the human nature of the Son of Mary changed into the divine nature of the Son of God? No; the two natures were mysteriously blended in one person—the man Christ Jesus. In Him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. When Christ was crucified, it was His human nature that died. Deity did not sink and die; that would have been impossible. Christ, the sinless One, will save every son and daughter of Adam who accepts the salvation proffered them, consenting to become the children of God. The Saviour has purchased the fallen race with His own blood.{5BC 1113.2}
This is a great mystery, a mystery that will not be fully, completely understood in all its greatness until the translation of the redeemed shall take place. Then the power and greatness and efficacy of the gift of God to man will be understood. But the enemy is determined that this gift shall be so mystified that it will become as nothingness (Letter 280, 1904).{5BC 1113.3}

Right there that quote proves who is motivating you to present your case like you do! The enemy motivates men to mystify this mystery like you are doing Mt Man.

"(Matthew 28:5, 6; Luke 24:5, 6; 2:19; John 10:17, 18; Acts 13:32, 33.) When the voice of the angel was heard saying, “Thy Father calls thee,” He who had said, “I lay down my life, that I might take it again,” “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up,” came forth from the grave to life that was in Himself. Deity did not die. Humanity died, but Christ now proclaims over the rent sepulcher of Joseph, “I am the resurrection, and the life.” In His divinity Christ possessed the power to break the bonds of death. He declares that He had life in Himself to quicken whom He will.{5BC 1113.4}
“I am the resurrection, and the life.” This language can be used only by the Deity. All created things live by the will and power of God. They are dependent recipients of the life of the Son of God. However able and talented, however large their capabilities, they are replenished with life from the Source of all life. Only He who alone hath immortality, dwelling in light and life, could say, “I have power to lay down my life, and I have power to take it again.” All the human beings in our world take their life from Him. He is the spring, the fountain of life (Manuscript 131, 1897).{5BC 1113.5}
“I am the resurrection, and the life.” He who had said, “I lay down my life, that I might take it again,” came forth from the grave to life that was in Himself. Humanity died: divinity did not die. In His divinity, Christ possessed the power to break the bonds of death. He declares that He has life in Himself to quicken whom He will.{5BC 1113.6}

If Jesus was only in the fallen human nature as you say He was Mt Man while he was standing in a human body, and He made these statements, He would have been a liar. He could not claim to be the resurrection and the life and have the power to resurrect Himself if He only dwelt in the fallen human nature, let alone claim to be the express image of the Father if He had "sin in His sinful flesh".

If you cannot see this then there is no point in continuing to argue with you, and it begs to ask the question "why are you here?" if it is the power of the enemy that brings the confusion that you are teaching as truth.