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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: dedication] #165452
05/27/14 04:35 AM
05/27/14 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted By: dedication
LESSON 9
Christ, the Law and the Gospel


Memory Text: For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ (John 1:17, NKJV).

The law is an important part of the topic of Christ our righteousness. Yet it is often a controversial subject. There are some who speak little of Christ, while they spend much time preaching the law and profess to honor God's law. There are others who speak much of believing in Christ but to a large extent reject the law spoken by His own voice on Mount Sinai.

We must preach CHRIST in the law, for only this will bring home the truth of the wonderful gift of salvation from sin, and give power and nourishment in the message that will feed the spiritual life and growth of the people.


So what does it mean -- the law came through Moses?

It does NOT mean Moses originated the law, for we know God Himself spoke the commands from Mount Sinai.
God Himself wrote that law on tables of stone with His own finger.

Yet it was Moses who brought those tablets of stone down to the people. But sadly, for many it remained only the commandments written on the tablets of stone.

but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ


We can give a fine talk on the commandments of God, but it will not accomplish a truly reformed life, UNLESS Christ dwells in the heart and writes His magnified law upon our hearts and minds.

Through the presence of Christ in our lives and thoughts, His law is written upon the fleshly tablets of our hearts thus transforming our very lives.

Thus Christ, the gospel, His law, are intermingled as one in the Christ Our Righteousness. When we receive Christ, we receive righteousness, we receive His law magnified by the law of love, we receive godly love.


When he says, "For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ," he is not referring to the Decalogue, but the Pentateuch. In other words he is saying, "Moses told us ABOUT God; but we have seen, walked and talked with Him!"

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: James Peterson] #165458
05/27/14 01:57 PM
05/27/14 01:57 PM
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You're confused. Either it was inspired (without fault) or not (susceptible to errors). Make up your mind.

The Bible is infallible as a rule of faith.
By the way, you didn’t answer my question about Matt. 23:35 (post #165278) in relation to 2 Chron. 24.

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: James Peterson] #165460
05/27/14 03:30 PM
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Do you have eternal life?

Sorry to jump in. I know the replies were addressed to Arnold, but since I had given basically the same replies as he (post #165346), I'll give my $0.2 on this. You have eternal life as long as you have Christ (1Jo 5:12). The judgment will determine whether someone really has Him, or if it's a false profession.

1Jo 4:17 (BBE) In this way love is made complete in us, so that we may be without fear on the day of judging, because as he is, so are we in this world.

Why would someone need confidence on the Day of Judgment if they won't be judged?

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He who truly loves cannot and does not sin. Hence the commandment to love. Have you ever been in love?

So we should suppose that you do not sin?

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"Have you never read what David did when he was in need and hungry, he and those with him: how he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the showbread, WHICH IS NOT LAWFUL TO EAT EXCEPT FOR THE PRIESTS, and also gave some to those who were with him?" (Mark 2:25-26) Was Abiathar guiltless in this matter?

The question is, is it lawful to save life, to preserve life on the Sabbath?

Read the whole account in Matthew 12:2-12, where the words LAWFUL and NOT LAWFUL are used several times.

Jesus’ cleverness amazes me.

The Pharisees said the disciples were doing what was NOT LAWFUL on the Sabbath (v. 2).

They were doing a LAWFUL thing (Deut 23:25). The question is, was it lawful to do that lawful thing on the Sabbath?

So Jesus cited David’s example. David did and UNLAWFUL thing (Lev. 24:8, 9). But was it lawful to do that unlawful thing on the Sabbath?

Both things were done to preserve life, which is a lawful thing to to on the Sabbath (v. 11, 12).

Jesus’ reasoning was, if it was lawful to do an UNLAWFUL thing on the Sabbath to preserve life (David's case), why would it be unlawful to do a LAWFUL thing on the Sabbath, also to preserve life (the disciples' case)? In this way, Jesus demonstrated that the charge of the Pharisees was false.

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: dedication] #165479
05/28/14 05:46 AM
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According to Romans 6:23 and Ephesians 2:8, what is the nature of the grace that originates in Jesus? How did Jesus supply grace for humans?


Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God.


All have sinned and are worthy of death.
But Christ took upon Himself the sins of us all, and bore them to the cross.

1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
2:25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

The law condemns the sinner, but Christ took our condemnation upon Himself and died our death.

What now? Do we disregard the law that defines sin?
No!

"Further, grace manifests itself as the indwelling presence of Christ that enables the individual to participate in the righteousness that the law promotes. Paul states that in condemning sin in the flesh, Jesus has made it possible for the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us (Rom. 8:4, NKJV). Grace not only frees us from the condemnation of the law, but it enables us to keep the law in the way that we are called to do." (Wednesday Lesson)

Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.


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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: dedication] #165487
05/28/14 04:22 PM
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It seems the lesson is implying that the law can be fulfilled BY us if we have grace. Is anyone else getting the same thing?


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: dedication] #165488
05/28/14 04:24 PM
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The quarterly asks: John 1:17 states that grace and truth originated with Jesus Christ. Using that text, many people place the law in opposition to the grace and truth. Why is this a false dichotomy? In what ways do the law and grace and truth all work together to reveal to us the character of God as seen in the plan of salvation?


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: asygo] #165491
05/28/14 05:18 PM
05/28/14 05:18 PM
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It seems the lesson is implying that the law can be fulfilled BY us if we have grace. Is anyone else getting the same thing?

I think the lesson is saying that grace is both God's unmerited gift of eternal life and God's enabling us to do His will. It says:
"Grace not only frees us from the condemnation of the law, but it enables us to keep the law in the way that we are called to do."

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: dedication] #165494
05/28/14 06:17 PM
05/28/14 06:17 PM
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Unfortunately the thread title is misleading.
Christ came to vindicate His Father's Law.

"Amid the awful glory of Sinai, Christ declared
in the hearing of all the people the ten precepts
of His Father's law." (Patriarchs & Prophets 366)
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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: asygo] #165495
05/28/14 07:42 PM
05/28/14 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted By: asygo
The quarterly asks: John 1:17 states that grace and truth originated with Jesus Christ. Using that text, many people place the law in opposition to the grace and truth. Why is this a false dichotomy? In what ways do the law and grace and truth all work together to reveal to us the character of God as seen in the plan of salvation?


Keith Augustus Burton, the author of the lesson ( here ) is a bit misguided. SDA obsession with the Decalogue is causing them to stumble. Read all of John's introduction to the gospel and you will see that the "law" John speaks of is not the laws but all of "Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy" as the LAW in "THE LAW and the prophets". He says:

Originally Posted By: John 1:14-18
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

That "grace and truth" of which he speaks is the "glory as of the only begotten of the Father" which they beheld for themselves. In other words, they had walked and talked with the Son of the Living God. Wonder of wonders! They had looked upon Him and had not died. They had learnt of Him and, instead, had been blessed. This is the one "about whom we testify to you today and our testimony is sure. We have met the one spoken of by Moses in the Law. Him, we declare to you!"

"Grace" = love and compassion
"Truth" = perfection, consistency of character to the point of being completely flawless

As it is written, "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." (Mat. 5:48)

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2014 Christ and His Law [Re: Rosangela] #165506
05/29/14 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rosangela
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It seems the lesson is implying that the law can be fulfilled BY us if we have grace. Is anyone else getting the same thing?

I think the lesson is saying that grace is both God's unmerited gift of eternal life and God's enabling us to do His will. It says:
"Grace not only frees us from the condemnation of the law, but it enables us to keep the law in the way that we are called to do."

I remember reading that, and I wasn't comfortable with it. Does grace enable US to KEEP the law as GOD requires? Or does grace enable us to RECEIVE CHRIST'S acceptable obedience as ours? Yes, grace teaches us to live godly lives, but is our godliness acceptable as-is?

The leason seems to swing from one side to the other, rather than keeping an even keel.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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