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Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #166174
06/24/14 05:29 PM
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From the article:

Dr. Hansen realized he had a problem when he took over – that data didn’t look anything like a hockey stick. So he fixed it! You can do such cool stuff when you are pushing an agenda, and you control the historical record.

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The figure below shows Hansen’s remarkable changes to the pre-1975 temperature data. He simply removed that pesky warm period from 1890 to 1940.

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Undaunted by reality, all the evidence, and millions of temperature records – in the year 2000 Dr. Hansen and Tom Karl at NOAA adjusted the US temperature record to make it look like Hansen’s already adjusted global temperature record.

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Conclusion. US and global surface temperature records are so corrupted as to be meaningless. Below are some news stories from the 1930s. July of 1936 was the hottest month in US history. The summer of 1934 was the worst drought in US history. Half of the lower 48 states set their all-time temperature record during the 1930s. The most powerful hurricane to ever hit the US happened in 1935.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #166182
06/25/14 04:05 AM
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Islands are disappearing into sea from it's rise. The south and north poles are losing ice at faster speeds than ever in history.
The seas are rising at 1 1/2 inches every ten years for the past five decades, that might not sound like a lot to you, but if you would only think about how much water it would take to raise the ocean even one inch, you know that is a lot of ice that has to melt, since water expands when frozen, so in it's liquid state water has less volume. So less displacement and higher water levels means much more than 2 inches of liquid water are actually added to make up for the lost ice and raise the levels at the same time.

And what is inside that ice? More CO2 and methane, so when it melts it releases what was trapped in it. So it exponentially accelerates the effect.

Here are some of the places in our world being effectd by the rise of water right now.

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-25086963

http://ocean.nationalgeographic.com/ocean/critical-issues-sea-level-rise/

I understand that at one time there were no Ice caps before the flood. We as Adventists know this. The upper firmament protected the earth like a giant bubble suspended above the planet and made the climate equalize, and this oceanic bubble came crashing down at the flood and exposed the two poles to extreme cold and this caused the rapid spread of glacier ice across both ends of the planet. The only unfrozen parts of the flood waters were between the tropic belts. forcing all the population to begin between the ice caps after the flood.

And of course there is an expected level of attrition of the melt of the sea and glacial ice because of the trapped gasses in the ancient ice melts themselves. I get it.

BUT to say that the billions of tons of coal and fossil fuels being burned every year, day after day, has no effect on the warming of the planet is pure ignorance.

Do you know how much oil is used every day? 85 million barrels a day is how much the world uses! At 42 gallons to the barrel, that’s three billion, five hundred and seventy million gallons of oil (3,570,000,000) PER DAY!!!

Niagara falls has a flow rate of 150,000 U.S. gallons per second.

3,570,000,000 gals of oil / 150,000 gallons per second Niagara flow rate = 23,800 seconds of flow equivalent.

In other words, if by some horrific means you were able to replace the flow over Niagara falls with nothing but oil for 6.6 hours a day, that’s how much oil the 6 billion inhabitants of the earth burn every single day of every year, and have been for more or less the past ten years.

I saw an oil spill of only 500,000 barrels of oil and it literally covered every square inch of a hundred miles of shoreline, and that spill is listed as the 54th largest ever. So imagine 54 worse spills than something that killed every living creature for a thousand square miles in the ocean! The sound of those creatures dying in the night will haunt me for the rest of my life.

How much coal do we use in a year? World coal consumption was about 6,743,786,000 short tons in 2006 and is expected to increase 48% to 9.98 billion short tons by 2030. That's over 7 BILLION tons per year. Where do you think that is going? Does the byproducts disappear? No it goes into the air to suffocate us and our planet. Add on top of that deforestation and you have a total mess on our hands.

And the reason why I listed the projects I have worked on is to show my level of responsibility. I am a respected participant. My designs were used in the BP oil spill. God gives me thoughts that people respect. I do not claim the thoughts of my own. But I am who God showed the plans to. And when I got in touch with their engineers through a friend of mine they rushed to have me give all the designs to their engineers.

Can any of you say that?

When I prayed about how to stop the underwater blowout this is what I saw in my mind from God.



(In the vision it had a much pointier tip to help guide it into the hole through the massive pressure more effectively)

A simple mechanics tap that can be threaded into the end of the broken well head, threading the pipe while permitting pressure to escape through the fluted sides until enough of the threads are secure the hold the pressure then slowly taper off like a valve just by twisting it in deeper.

The engineers told me that I was the ONLY person to offer this concept and one of them said "quite frankly I can't see why we didn't think of this."

It could be fitted right on to the end of any one of the drill booms and only cost about $50K to manufacture and fit, and they now have this concept ready for any new contingency.

Simple right? GOD gave me that idea. (and about a thousand others like it)

The only original thought that they received from over 10 million emails and phone calls. How did I get through to them? By prayer and God sending the right people to hear it.

I spent about ten hours in conference with them telling them all the details and dozens of emails. Then another ten hours being told that I have no rights to the concept because that was part of the the online agreement, but I never asked for anything. They just had to cover their butts.

Imagine how much that idea is worth to them?

The point is, God motivates me to the extreme issues of our planet and I respond. I don't just sit back and whine about it. I pray and say "use me" and God does.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: APL] #166188
06/25/14 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted By: APL

Conclusion. US and global surface temperature records are so corrupted as to be meaningless. Below are some news stories from the 1930s. July of 1936 was the hottest month in US history. The summer of 1934 was the worst drought in US history. Half of the lower 48 states set their all-time temperature record during the 1930s. The most powerful hurricane to ever hit the US happened in 1935.
Initially I thought he just selectively presented the data, or selectively chose a benchmark point of data, all of which are just different viewpoints even if manipulative. But when I had read this part, "temperature records are so corrupted as to be meaningless", it caused me to re-evaluated my thought and that maybe he just "changed" the data! I take it you believe this is what it means, that it was just pure outright fraud from Hansen, Karl, and NOAA.

It's sad that James has bought into their fraud. Think he will be susceptible to buy into the Sunday fraud, too?

Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #166202
06/26/14 03:12 AM
06/26/14 03:12 AM
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James - you quote an internet blog without attribution, the whole Niagra Falls comparison. Why not give the source? Hmm...
http://slipr.com/2009/10/02/how-much-oil-does-the-world-use-in-a-day/

Which oil spill did you see that was 500,000 barrels? The Exxon Valdez spill was 260,000 barrels (11,000,000 gallons).

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, none of which we have seen.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #166223
06/26/14 06:57 PM
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Wiki:

"According to official reports, the ship was carrying approximately 55 million US gallons (210,000 m3) of oil, of which about 10.1 to 11 million US gallons (240,000 to 260,000 bbl; 38,000 to 42,000 m3) were spilled into the Prince William Sound. A figure of 11 million US gallons (260,000 bbl; 42,000 m3) was a commonly accepted estimate of the spill's volume and has been used by the State of Alaska's Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Trustee Council, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and environmental groups such as Greenpeace and the Sierra Club. Some groups, such as Defenders of Wildlife, dispute the official estimates, maintaining that the volume of the spill, which was calculated by subtracting the volume of material removed from the vessel's tanks after the spill from the volume of the original cargo, has been under-reported. Alternative calculations, based on the assumption that the official reports underestimated how much seawater had been forced into the damaged tanks, placed the total at 25 to 32 million US gallons (600,000 to 760,000 bbl; 95,000 to 121,000 m3).

So they were carrying 55 million gallons and 11 million gallons were in the one storage tank but to keep the ship from sinking they had to counter balance the ship by pumping crude from the other side of the sip into the storage compartment that was damaged. This was my very close friends assessment who actually was a part of the command center for Exxon at the time. He is how I got on the spill making $36 per hour cleaning rocks with high pressure sprayers.

I had to go back and refresh myself for the amount of oil they were carrying and I was wrong about that part, but the fact that they under estimated the amount that was lost is a known fact to many who were involved.

So it is estimated that the amount was double of what was publicly announced. Or do you commonly listen to the perpetrators to find the level of their guilt?

Fukushima is way worse than what TEPCO is publicly declaring and you know this, so why would you accept Exxon's assessment?



Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: jamesonofthunder] #166250
06/27/14 01:22 PM
06/27/14 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted By: jamesonofthunder
Islands are disappearing into sea from it's rise. The south and north poles are losing ice at faster speeds than ever in history.
The seas are rising at 1 1/2 inches every ten years for the past five decades,
James, what islands have disappeared into the sea from 1 1/2 inches of sea level rise? And if they have, what coastal areas have disappeared, because the sea level would be the same from the disappeared island to the mainland coast, right? Me thinks you are regurgitating blogs with no thought as to what you are copying and pasting.


And James, what's all this talk about oil and oil plugs and how many ideas you received for solving problems? None of that proves nor disproves there is any global warming.


Since you seem to appear to have a lot of knowledge on technical things, could you tell us what geoengineering means. And could you give us insights into HAARP? That is if you are not going to tell us why it is
Originally Posted By: APL
right to change historical data on temperatures as shown above in the "chiropractor" link?

Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #166309
06/27/14 11:56 PM
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What about geo-engineering? Do you mean fracking or off shore drilling?

While working in my Fathers Acoustical ceilings company (TIECO Acoustics)in Alaska we put the ceilings in the secret facilities that HAARP is installed in, and I talked with engineers there daily for two years so I do know a lot about it actually. We won the contracts for Poker Flats, Elmondorf, Greely and Eilson AFB.

I can tell just by the fact of you bringing this question up that you are out in the stratosphere in your conspiracy theory mindset. Add that kind of rational on top of denying the Global warming that every single major scientist in the world is attributing to the burning of fossil fuels and you are one strange duck.

And like I said before, the point about me mentioning the oil spills that I have worked on was to show my level of responsibility, and my mission and level of commitment. And to show that I have seen more than most people on the issue of conservation.

The amount of oil we use every day was to show how much fossil fuel is being burned daily. So what do you think the outcome will be? None? Let's just pretend that the amount of oil and coal we burn doesn't have any effect and the byproducts just magically disappear?


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #166408
06/29/14 05:38 PM
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Antarctica set record sea ice since recordings started in 1979 per the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign’s The Cryosphere Today



The previous record anomaly for Southern Hemisphere sea ice area was 1.840 million square kilometers and occurred on December 20, 2007.

Global sea ice area, as of Sunday morning, stood at 1.005 million square kilometers above average.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #166411
06/29/14 06:51 PM
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You must have looked long and hard to try to find anything that remotely supported your ideas.

Sorry, Arctic sea ice isn’t really ‘recovering’

Washington post BY BRAD PLUMER September 19, 2013

Over the past few decades, the sharp decline of summer sea ice in the Arctic has been one of the clearest signs that the Earth's climate is changing rapidly.

So it's time to check in with the sea ice again now that we've reached the end of the 2013 summer melt season. Here's a chart from the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) showing the extent of sea ice in the Arctic this year (red line) — that is, the area of ocean with at least 15 percent ice:



A few things jump out. The ice extent for 2013 hit a low of 5.099 million square kilometers on Sept. 13. That was the sixth-lowest minimum on record and about 23 percent below the long-term average, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center.

But there was still a lot more Arctic ice this year than there was in 2012, when the sea ice extent shrunk to just 3.413 million square kilometers, the lowest minimum by far since satellite measurements began. So what happened? Has the Arctic started to recover, as the Daily Mail recently suggested? Not exactly. Here's why.

Short term variation vs. long-term trends

The Met Office in Britain recently pointed out that there are all sorts of reasons why sea ice extent can bounce around from year to year:

-- temperatures naturally vary from one year to the next;
-- the amount of cloud can affect the amount of surface melting;
-- summer storms can also break up ice, which can accelerate the melting process;
-- settled conditions can be more conducive to ice forming;
-- winds may act to spread out the ice or push it together.

Those variables can help explain why sea ice didn't decline in 2013 as much as it did last year: “In 2012 we saw a record low which was likely to have been influenced by a storm which swept through the region in summer, but this year’s weather conditions appear to have been less conducive to ice loss," noted Ann Keen, a sea ice scientist at the Met Office.

Here is an article from National Geographic from 2012 when sea ice hit the record low.

Arctic Sea Ice Hits Record Low—Extreme Weather to Come?
Global warming to blame for highest observed decline, scientists say.

Current Arctic sea ice (bluish white) compared with the 1979-2010 average sea ice minimum (outlined in orange).

ILLUSTRATION COURTESY SVS/NASA

Ker Than
for National Geographic News
PUBLISHED AUGUST 28, 2012, CORRECTED SEPTEMBER 10

Arctic sea ice is thawing at a historic rate, scientists say. In fact, a recent analysis of satellite data "utterly obliterates" the previous record, set in 2007.

The chief culprit? Global warming. The potential upshot? Longer and more intense extreme-weather events such as heat waves, cold spells, and droughts. (Read more about extreme weather in National Geographic magazine.)

On Monday, researchers at the U.S. National Snow and Ice Data Center said the rate of Arctic sea ice decline is now the highest that has ever been observed for the month of August. In August of this year, the sea ice disappeared at an average rate of about 35,400 square miles (91,700 square kilometers) per day—or about twice as fast as normal, NSIDC scientists say.

Moreover, the area of Arctic sea ice around the North Pole had shrunk to 1.58 million square miles (4.1 million square kilometers)—the smallest measurement since 1979, when satellite observations began.

By comparison, said NSIDC's Julienne Stroeve, Arctic sea ice cover in the 1970s and '80s at this time of year was typically in excess of 2.7 million square miles (7 million square kilometers).

The worst news of all? The new record probably won't last long. With up to three more weeks of the melting season left, said Stroeve, the total is likely to shrink further.

"It will be below 4 million square kilometers (1.5 million square miles) before it's all said and done."

(See "Shrinking Arctic Sea Ice Linked to Snowier Winters?")

Sea Ice: Why Is This Year Different?

Scientists think the old record—1.61 million square miles (4.17 million square kilometers) on September 18, 2007—was made possible by a "perfect storm" of conditions that included an unusually persistent weather pattern known as an anticyclone, or high-pressure ridge, in the region that led to clear skies, which allowed more sunlight to reach the ice and melt it.

But weird weather doesn't seem to be a factor this time around.

"There's no persistent weather pattern that's emerged this summer," Stroeve said.

"The ice is just thinner than it used to be. So it doesn't really matter so much what the summer weather does anymore—the thin ice melts out easier during the summer melt season."

In a new study, detailed recently in the journal Geophysical Research Letters, Stroeve and her colleagues analyzed nearly two dozen computer climate models to determine the extent to which global warming is responsible for the increasing shrinkage of Arctic sea ice.

Her team determined that human activity can be blamed for some 60 percent of the observed rate of decline since 1979, with the rest due to natural climate variability.

"If you run these climate models and you don't put in the observed record of greenhouse gases, none of them show the ice declining," Stroeve said. "None of them are able to capture what's happening today without including greenhouse gases." (Learn about the greenhouse effect.)

Climate models used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) also predict that Arctic summers will be completely free of sea ice in the coming decades if global warming continues unabated.

In light of the new record low, said Jennifer Francis, a climate researcher at Rutgers University's Institute of Marine and Coastal Science, "I'm definitely thinking that we're going to see [ice-free Arctic summers] earlier than most people have suggested.

"I think it could happen anytime within the next 30 years," instead of 50 years or more that some models predict, said Francis, who was not involved in the study.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #166412
06/29/14 07:14 PM
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In the summer of 1974 my Father was the general foreman on the Trans-Alaska pipeline Pump Station 1 before the pipeline had even been built. (He moved down the pipeline during the build and remained General foreman until 1979 when he became a private contractor for Alyaska.) In summers he used to bring me to Prudhoe Bay where the pipeline begins to see the polar bears, as far as I know, because of my fathers clout, me and my brother where the only kids, except the Eskimo children that live up there, permitted to come to the pump station in those days. One night in June in the middle of the night while the wind was blowing we heard this thunderous crash and the earth shook. I was only 11 years old and was terrified. I ran out into the hallway to see if I could find my dad. No one else even got out of their rooms and I thought that was very strange. How could these men sleep through the end of the world? I opened my dad's door to his room and he was sound asleep. I woke him up and told him what happened and he laughed and said "that's the sea ice, every summer it crashes against the shore when the wind blows".

The whole area is totally flat from erosion from recent ice cover and movement. The Ice pack covered the whole Arctic ocean north shore of Alaska even in summer as recent as the 1960's but had receded to a mile or two off shore in the 1970's. Look at that map above now. the ice is hundreds of miles off the north shore of Alaska in summer. That is just within my lifetime. You picked the wrong person to get into a pissing match about arctic ice.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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