It answered the "WHEN" of the quotes.
And he also gave his answer as he understands it (which is different from how you understand it).

I tend to agree with JSOT that there was a difference. The full weight of the GUILT of mankind didn't fall upon Jesus until He was in the garden of Gethsemane -- there the guilt of those sins nearly crushed Him and the presence of God was being withdrawn from Him.

In the wilderness it was different.
At that point in time, Christ was beginning His work of reconciling mankind to God. The passages you quoted do NOT say the sins were upon Him, but rather that the magnitude of the sins of the people He had come to redeem He realized was so terribly great.
The reality of His mission was before Him.
Satan was there pressing doubts as the possibility for success in such a mammoth mission.

" After the baptism, Christ went into the wilderness of temptation. It was here that He fought the great battle with His fallen foe. Satan tried every device to overcome the humanity of Christ. He claimed to be an angel direct from heaven. He clothed himself with angel robes, that he might, if possible, deceive the Son of God." {9MR 233.4}

Satan's temptations were all geared to a "there is an easier way" to do this scheme
Use your divine power to make things easier for you
Use your status to put on a big display that will have everyone spell bound.
Lastly, you don't have to die to win back the world just join Satan and it's all yours.


It is NOT correct to take those quotes and equate them with Jesus taking the guilt of mankind's sin upon Himself at this point.
He was beginning His work of reconciling people back to God, who seemed hopelessly bound in sin here, and was being sorely tempted by Satan to take an "easier" way.

Your questions seem to imply that you think Christ had to have "unholy passions" in order to "realize the strength" of them-- but that is not the case. Mankind's utter immersion in sin were things impressed upon Him as His work of restoring humanity to the communion of God was fully laid out before Him.
Could He do it? Yes, He was a human, and the task was terribly huge for a human.

"There was a mighty work for Him to achieve as the representative of the race. He was to pass over the ground where Adam stumbled and fell. By His resistance to temptation He was to work out a victory in behalf of the fallen race, and elevate man in the scale of moral value with God." {9MR 233.4}

Adam wasn't even hungry when he ate the forbidden fruit.
Christ was starving when He was offered "forbidden food" (using His Divine power to make food).

His temptations were:
" his difficult task to maintain the level of humanity." {3SP 260.1}

For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure. Philippians 2:13.

Some people believe the fruit of the above passage is sinful and unacceptable to God. However, they do not back up their assertion with Scripture.

Dedication, thank you for answering for JSOT. I'll respond when I have more time.

God's work is never sinful or unacceptable, but our response is often half-hearted and stumbling.

Our natures are not just inherited, they are engraved into our minds by the many habits we have developed. Our minds are like a web of roads. The more a road is travelled the deeper are the grooves and more likely for our thought patterns to flow down that road. Many of these "roads" are already deeply grooved into our minds before we are adults.

God takes us step by step to "higher ground".
Focusing on Him helps to develop new "roads" in our minds.
His power helps put Blocks on the old paths (but He does not stop us if we plough over those blocks). He patiently keeps working with us.

Anyone who thinks they are "sinless" in all their thoughts and actions once they accept Christ are in for a very discouraging shock.

We are "perfect" because of the forgiveness, merits and righteousness of Christ.
From there we need to continually walk with Christ in humble faith and obedience. If we do that, He will step by step change us.

Focusing on achieving our perfection is plain self absorption and doesn't lead to its supposed aim.
Our focus must be on Christ and His righteousness (not drag Him down to our own supposed passions and inherited sins) but focus upon His life, righteousness and gift of salvation, and daily, hourly, minute by minute walk with HIM in humility and obedience.

Micah 6:8 He has showed thee, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God

True. But is that what Jesus is saying in Philippians 2:13? Is He saying the fruit of my work in you is defiled because your response is corrupt? I don't think so. I believe Jesus is saying the fruit of His work in us is good and pleasing to God.

So, where in the Bible does Jesus say - The fruit of abiding in Jesus is sometimes stained with sin and unacceptable to God? Or, does He ever say such a thing?

Amen! The opposite is no less true - Believers who believe they are sinning and unacceptable to God are shockingly discouraged. No one can go around believing they are sinning and crucifying Christ afresh and escape crushing depression. Our focus must be "Christ and Him crucified" - not "am I sinning or am I sinless".

The truth is - Jesus changes born-again believers from "faith to faith,", from "grace to grace," from "glory to glory" - not from greater sins to lesser sins until they eventually cease to sin (I'm not saying this is what you believe). Jesus does not withhold revealing certain cultivated traits of character until He feels we are ready to confront and crucify them. They come to light in light of His glory and goodness.


They are new people - "old things have passed" and "all things are become new".


“The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.” Through obedience comes sanctification of body, soul, and spirit. This sanctification is a progressive work, and an advance from one stage of perfection to another. {My Life Today, p. 250.4}

PS - This is not to say they are incapable of sinning. However, to sin, they must neglect or refuse to abide in Jesus. Then all they can do is sin. "All that man can do without Christ is polluted with selfishness and sin; but that which is wrought through faith is acceptable to God." {SC, p. 59.4} Some say - "that which is wrought through faith is stained with sin and unacceptable to God." How different it is in the Bible and the SOP!

Amen. This is inspired.

Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me. 43 Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. 46 Which one of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? 47 Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.”

There is a need of establishing a relationship with Christ in order to love Him. We do not come out of the womb loving Him, and even when we do learn to love Him there is a steady learning that must occur.

The bible is linear. Can you even begin to read it without a desire to know the truth? When you start reading does it all come at once? Do you have some kind of revelation of God without an established love for the truth? Can you have complete truth without revelation?

The Spirit of Prophecy says that there are many inside other denominations who do not have the complete truth yet they are still God's people.

Mt Man, the way you present your case excludes anyone who does not have the complete truth in them from the start which is a lie.

We come to Christ as students. If we love the truth it leads to more truth until Christ is fully revealed in us. Some know sin much sooner than others or those who are breaking the Sabbath would be excluded according to you. Is breaking the Sabbath sin? Then how does God call them HIS PEOPLE?

It is true that when perfection was revealed in the body of Christ there was no excuse for sin, but even then He did not reveal His full glory until they could accept it.

He did not reveal His full glory and purpose until AFTER the resurrection because they couldn't bear it. They wouldn't have been so discouraged when He died if they knew. Are you saying that because Thomas denied that Jesus had been resurrected that he was not in Christ? Then why would Jesus send him?

The whole mission of Christ was steady flow of revelation. They had been baptized, even Judas did miracles, but it wasn't until the early rain that they were sealed with the Holy Spirit.

What you are trying to force as doctrine only applies to those who are sealed and cannot fall ever again.

I had a revelation because God had prepared me to see His truth through a desire for the truth. But it was a revelation of commandments, which was the instructor. Then He began to teach me of His mercy and this built a relationship. The fear of the Lord is the BEGINNING of wisdom.

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

1 Corinthians 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

Born-again babes in Christ are, according to the Bible, born again dead to sin, free from sin, and awake to righteousness. Nowhere in the Bible does it describe born-again babes as new believers who sin ignorantly until Jesus decides to reveal it to them. People who experience rebirth in "God's appointed way" are "complete in Christ". Jesus implants in them all the righteous attributes of God, all the fruits of the Spirit - "not one is missing". While abiding in Jesus, while walking in the Spirit and mind of the new man, while partaking of the divine nature they grow in grace, mature in the fruits of the Spirit "more and more unto the perfect day". They grow from "glory to glory" - not from greater sins to lesser sins.

It sounds like you disagree.