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Re: Biblical predictions of Antichrist & Sunday Laws
[Re: James Peterson]
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06/27/14 01:53 PM
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The "man of sin"/"the lawless one" is discussed twice in the second epistle to the Thessalonians. You are familiar with and are quoting the second reference. But consider the two side by side and you will understand more clearly that THE Antichrist is non-Christian.
But you would consider the antichrist is religious, right? Re 13:12 And it exercises all the authority of the first beast before him, and causes the earth and those dwelling in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
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Re: Biblical predictions of Antichrist & Sunday Laws
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06/27/14 02:54 PM
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I wasn't saying it was or was not fulfilling prophecy. I was addressing that you said Sunday laws were not being enforced. I do not believe Sunday Laws are being enforced in fulfillment of prophecy. Do you?
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Re: Biblical predictions of Antichrist & Sunday Laws
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06/27/14 03:41 PM
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The gist of what I'm saying, is that actual facts do not matter, the article makes several illogical jumps, but it's the people who will blindly believe it and will demand that laws are passed. God says the opposite. He says, "in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power." (2 Tim. 3:1-5) We ought not to bury our heads in the sand of false prophecy, but believe what God tells us in the Holy Scriptures. I'm sorry, but I didn't follow what you are trying to say. What does people believing a lie and demanding laws have to do with false prophecy? "People believing a lie and demanding laws" have been taken to be the fulfillment of prophecy here: that the Bible predicts the Antichrist will institute a National Sunday Law in the USA. I contend that it does not; and furthermore, that the Antichrist is NOT A CHRISTIAN. As proof, I offer the epistles of John ( here, post #166211 ) and of Paul to the Thessalonians ( here, post #166230 ). This thread was set up to discuss the matter. ///
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Re: Biblical predictions of Antichrist & Sunday Laws
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06/27/14 03:57 PM
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The "man of sin"/"the lawless one" is discussed twice in the second epistle to the Thessalonians. You are familiar with and are quoting the second reference. But consider the two side by side and you will understand more clearly that THE Antichrist is non-Christian.
But you would consider the antichrist is religious, right? Religious? No. This is how Paul speaks of him: "the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God." (2 Thes. 2:3-4). This is someone who bluntly and blatantly challenges God. In the very temple of God he sets himself up as God Himself. In other words, as Pharaoh Rameses said, "Who is the Lord, that I should obey His voice to let Israel go? I do not know the Lord, nor will I let Israel go." The Antichrist is NOT A CHRISTIAN and is NOT RELIGIOUS, but the epitome of unadulterated Atheism. ///
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Re: Biblical predictions of Antichrist & Sunday Laws
[Re: James Peterson]
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06/27/14 04:22 PM
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Re: Biblical predictions of Antichrist & Sunday Laws
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06/27/14 04:30 PM
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The "man of sin"/"the lawless one" is discussed twice in the second epistle to the Thessalonians. You are familiar with and are quoting the second reference. But consider the two side by side and you will understand more clearly that THE Antichrist is non-Christian.
But you would consider the antichrist is religious, right? Re 13:12 "And it exercises all the authority of the first beast before him, and causes the earth and those dwelling in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed." I will answer your question from the perspective of Revelation 13 here. ///
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Re: Biblical predictions of Antichrist & Sunday Laws
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06/27/14 04:30 PM
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Who knows? Pope Francis might be a Christian. But some of his theology is not biblical.
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Re: Biblical predictions of Antichrist & Sunday Laws
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06/27/14 04:34 PM
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1. NON-Christians do not profess to be Christians.
2. THE Antichrist is non-Christian, and is "the man of sin" = "the beast".
3. For those two reasons and Jesus' own words in Luke 17:26-30, there is no "National Sunday Law" to come. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Would you mind summarizing your view of the mark of the beast? I will do so here. ///
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Re: Biblical predictions of Antichrist & Sunday Laws
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06/27/14 05:01 PM
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Who knows? Pope Francis might be a Christian. But some of his theology is not biblical. That I doubt very seriously for the fact that he is a Jesuit and has made vows concerning the overthrow of the Protestant churches that no one filled with any part of the Spirit of God could make. He knows what he is doing. That is why the Jesuits are called corpses for the pope. Jesuits claim to be "Perend ac Cadaver" as disciplined as a corpse to be carried by the will of the pope. A corpse for the pope has been elected as pope, so who's will is he being carried by now? This is the man of sin we have been waiting for. The Son of Perdition. Pope Francis is completely sold out to the Spirit that pervades the fallen church or he wouldn't be the pope in this day. I would venture to say that since Pope John Paul II there has been a slow attrition of any leader inside that church that has any true guidance from God. With the full blown efforts to make Mary co-redemptrix and mediator they crossed the line. You amaze me with your support of this pope.
Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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Re: Biblical predictions of Antichrist & Sunday Laws
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06/27/14 05:33 PM
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The "man of sin"/"the lawless one" is discussed twice in the second epistle to the Thessalonians. You are familiar with and are quoting the second reference. But consider the two side by side and you will understand more clearly that THE Antichrist is non-Christian.
But you would consider the antichrist is religious, right? Religious? No. This is how Paul speaks of him: "the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God." (2 Thes. 2:3-4). This is someone who bluntly and blatantly challenges God. In the very temple of God he sets himself up as God Himself. In other words, as Pharaoh Rameses said, "Who is the Lord, that I should obey His voice to let Israel go? I do not know the Lord, nor will I let Israel go." The Antichrist is NOT A CHRISTIAN and is NOT RELIGIOUS, but the epitome of unadulterated Atheism. /// With someone who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God doesn't sound like you could say, "No". If someone shows himself that he is God, are you saying he wasn't making a religious claim?
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