Not sure about the "sincerely" part --
But yes, some who are now keeping Sabbath strictly may still receive the mark of the beast --

Why?

Because they are doing it in their own righteousness, and power, and like Peter, when facing persecution will fail.

Dedication, you and I have differed on this point for probably more than 15-years. You read Daniel 7 from a historicist's perspective that takes the seal of God on Daniel 7 (Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome) and makes it the endtime meaning.

I know that the 4-kingdom meaning cannot be the endtime meaning because the 4-kingdoms were understood in the 4th century AD, which was before the book of Daniel was unsealed and opened in 1798 and beyond. Thus to take a meaning that was settled before the prophecy was opened and to see it as the meaning that was to be opened when Daniel and Revelation explain themselves in the endtime when men run to and fro cannot be correct.

My understanding has not been perfect. I called GW as the last President in 2001. Then Obama came and I learned that as Daniel 7 depicted pagan and papal Rome as one, these two men are depicted as one. Some err by faulting me for that.



When we remember how God led the early Adventists in the past, they were wrong in 1843. Jesus did not come. They were wrong in 1844. Jesus did not come. Then they were right in 1844: the Sanctuary message is TRUTH but we cannot prove it aside from faith. Early Adventists had a 30% prophecy quotient. That is 1/3 of their prophetic understanding in 1844 was right, but they could not prove it apart from faith.

I understand that Obama is America's last President because Daniel 7:17 explains that the sea beasts that Daniel saw are 4 kings that shall arise from the earth. Heaven's endtime interpretation does not need to be reinterpreted. The prophetic earth is clearly identified in Revelation 13. Thus the 4 kings (American Presidents) are identifiable when Daniel and Revelation explain themselves in these last days.

Then God blessed me with my 30% prophetic quotient (see #165889) that I declared by faith. From 9/3/11 to 9/30/12 I tweeted that Pope Benedict was in his last year and concluded by saying "Pope #Benedict XVI As I read Daniel’s prophecy, 7’s number of completeness. His ascension year (zero) 2005. He might last till spring 2013? (30 September 2012)"

By faith, I declared what I understood as best as I understood it at the time I understood it and I kept studying and praying for the Holy Spirit to guide me into more understanding. "If we walk in the light as it shines upon us from the living oracles of God, we shall have large responsibilities, corresponding to the great light given us of God."

And I diligently sought out people to study with. I have shared my study with you and others on forums. And I gladly received comments. But alas if I ever misspoke in a post, the negative posts would come like poison pens, but when I tried to clarify my position, it rarely got past the moderator. The error would stand, but the truth would not see the light of day.

I am not responsible as to how others receive the light that I seek to share any more than the early Adventist pioneers that shared their light. A watchman tells what he sees. The hearers are responsible for how they respond.




Conclusion:
Is Daniel standing in his lot?
Are Daniel and Revelation explaining that President Obama is the last American President?

[My study of Daniel and Revelation shows that the kings from the earth (Dan 7:17) are Presidents:Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, & Obama. The healed papal-beast in Revelation 13 is the post-1929 papacy whose 7 popes: Pius XI & XII, John XXIII, Paul VI, John-Paul I & II, and Benedict XVI bonded with the 10-American Presidents: Truman (who called fire down from heaven on Hiroshima and Nagasaki), Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush I, and Clinton. And the next beast that arises from the prophetic earth with the two lamblike horns is America with its two final Presidents: Bush II and Obama.]

Are those who only give my conclusions a passing glance going to understand or agree with them?
Can I do any different than the 5-wise virgins that sent the foolish ones to the Oil Merchant?

My practice is to study it in the Scriptures and then confirm it in the Spirit of Prophecy. Two exampleS: popes are heads and American Presidents are crowned heads.

While SDA's focus on the Sabbath, it comes across as though it is being said:

"If you believe the Sabbath truth, you cant be deceived into receiving the Mark of the beast."

But the Spirit of prophecy clearly says The Mark Of The Beast is exactly what it is said to be.

Then Ellen quotes Revelation receiving it in the forehead or hand. And the passage links to buying and selling.

So to take the position that 3ABN (for example) holds that if you have the Sabbath in your heart you cannot be deceived, is setting up would-be saints to be deceived.

How so?

Obamacare is a compulsory system to force everyone to buy health care.

Let's say that a scenario similar to this occurs: after the 2014 elections in USA the economy tanks. The dollar becomes worthless and is about to be replaced as the world reserve currency, so Obama is forced to go to a cashless economy that he claims will stop drug trafficking, sex slavery, money laundering, and will make Russia and China and everyone else who has a stash of dollars more accountable to the US because they cannot use any of their US $ reserves unless they accept the cashless economy. Then when the US sets up an embargo, they control the cashless currency flow and the country or people targeted can't buy or sell.

If SDA's rationalize that Obama is not involved in the beast's deception regulating buying and selling and they take part in this new economy, they are deceived as to who the beast is and they have his mark or they could not be using his system even though Sabbath and Sunday have not been the deciding issue at this point.

When it becomes the issue and the would-be saints awake to their true situation: the issue for them was obedience to God's command:

"They are represented by the third angel that followed, "saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God." Revelation 14:9, 10.-- Testimonies, Vol. 7, pp. 138-140. (1902.)"

Adventists that claim to obey God's Sabbath command, but who fail to obey God's other commands are guilty of disregarding all of God's commandments.

Thus they will have deceived themselves to do that which God has clearly forbidden (they took the mark of the Beast in their forehead when they rationalized that it was ok to buy and sell because it was not linked to the Sabbath issue).

Thus Judgment begins at the Church. Then when the Sabbath is the issue; those who only knew not to take the mark in their hand or forehead will have to decide if the Sabbath is God's day of rest or if it is Sunday. And as they make their choice they will stand or fall.

[I have not been posting much for the last few months because I have been studying and writing all of this and so much more in my latest book. Please pray for that book. I declined to self-publish it and sent it to a very well known Publisher. Instead of a rejection letter, they actually have an editor reviewing it. PRAY THAT GOD'S WILL BE DONE.]



But in Daniel's experience, when the 70-years of captivity were ended, he did not assume that he should not pray earnestly for the restoration of the Temple just because God promised to restore it. Thus we too should pray earnestly that the Lord will wrap up this work in His own way.

His Child, again, another interesting idea. Not sure I understand the scenario you shared. How would doing business in a cashless society result in receiving the mark of the beast?

Mountain Man
That was a great question.

The gist of the post was

1) Barack Obama is identified as the man that sets up the abomination of desolation: National Sunday laws

2) The Mark of the Beast is exactly what it is said to be: compulsory control over buying and selling

3)God's command is DO NOT RECEIVE THE MARK OF THE BEAST IN THE HAND OR FOREHEAD

4) To rationalize that Obama is not the beast or that accepting his monetary controls is not the MARK OF THE BEAST is to believe that it is ok to receive it in the forehead.

5)An individual that buys into Obama's monetary system can't opt out when it is suddenly linked to Sunday keeping any more than Eve could uneat the forbidden fruit.

6) When the final confrontation with God's people links the MARK OF THE BEAST (Sunday sacredness with buying and selling), those who bought into the monetary change by rationalizing that it was not the mark of the beast are lost.

7)God's people are sealed in the forehead and discern the deception, but those who rationalize away a clear thus saith the Lord (don't take the MOB no matter what stage of development it is in) are already sealed in their foreheads by the beast due to their allegiance or their obedience to him.

I hope that clarifies it.

Thank you for the clarification. President Obama is going to be a busy man. He only has two years or so to implement a cashless system and Sunday Laws. The final movements will be rapid.

Does President Obama and Pope Francis have to be in office for things to play out according to prophecy? Or, can they start the ball rolling and then things finish up several years later?

Mountain Man,

You are welcome.

As I currently understand Daniel's prophecy in conjunction with Revelation:

The papal-beast of Revelation 13 began with 7 heads (popes ruling solo from 1929 thru 2013) it has changed its appearance because it now has two living popes.

Thus:

The beast has a retired pope and a sitting pope.
The image beast (America with the two lamblike horns) has a retired president and a sitting President.

The image beast looks like the papal-beast.

The only thing needed to make the image-beast reflect the current papal-beast is for Obama to implement a national Sunday law.





As I read Revelation 17-18, Satan will appear as Pope John-Paul II. (that explains the 3 frogs in Rev 16 = dragon, Satan as P-J II; beast, Francis I; and false prophet, Benedict XVI.) Satan can then point the world to Dies Domini and claim that while living he (Satan claiming to be P-J II) clearly explained that God changed Sabbath to Sunday as the Romanish Church had preached for years. And he can say touch me feel me like Christ said to Thomas, then he can point to "his" body in the Vatican crypt.

How far in the future do you think the two last great deceptions are? Benedict XVI is 91 and Obama (the one that Daniel 7 I.D.'s as the last president is a short timer (1/20/2017)? And we don't know if he could be impeached and the Catholic Joe Biden could rap it up???

And the characteristics of the horns on the American-beast are "Republicanism and Protestantism". Thus I expect that the November election is going to swing the Congress to the Republican Protestants. If that should be the case the vindictive uncompromising nature exhibited that shut down the government and almost did not raise the debt ceiling could box Obama into a corner.

You are not old enough to remember FDR, but Americans went to bed owning gold and while they slept FDR made gold ownership illegal. Silver certificates were implemented, and later it went to Federal Reserve Notes. Let's see what happens while we sleep with Obama at the helm and the economy is positioned to tank right after the next election when the current debt limit agreement is going to expire.

My money says that he is just as shrewd as FDR. Bye the way, Did you know that Obama has a Friday luncheon with several of the world's brightest economists weekly? He widens the circle to include liberals and conservatives and he solicits a wide range of ideas so he intentionally meets with different economists.

But rather than wonder about the timing, we should pray that God will show us our duties while remembering that as the blossoms on the tree are followed by its fruit; those things set in motion will be followed by the natural progression of the prophecies in their order. There is no suspension of time between the blossoms and the fruit bearing or in a pregnant woman's labor. The fetus develops in its normal cycle and the infant is born at the appointed time.

A cashless system is not necessarily mandatory to enforce the mark of the beast, but it would help.

Think about it like a universal Sam's club card. You will not be able to buy or sell unless you pledge allegiance to the image. It doesn't say you will not be able to have money. Just that you can't spend it or receive payment.

You could have a pocket full of gold and not be able to buy anything because you have not got the card. That would be very easy to implement.

The credit card system is the easiest way of seeing the enforcement of the mark because they could shut off your account electronically, but there are presently many national economic embargoes in place where the country has tons of cash but they can't buy or sell any goods because the United Nations says so. Those countries don't have credit cards because their banks cannot be connected to the world and nothing can be shipped there.

But how would turning off your debit card stop you from selling Gold to purchase things? It would have to be some other type of identifier that would keep the buyer from being able to receive it.

I used to think the meaning of "in your right hand or forehead" referred to bio-metrics, your finger print or your retinal scan, but now I have been show it means to be accepting or going along with the pledge to the image beast. The forehead is where you think, so they are believing in the Sunday law, and "in the right hand" is your works, signing your name to get along so they can buy or sell and continue to work to support their way of life.

Bio-metrics could still be part of the system but with everyone looking for that kind of mark it is not likely that those systems will be in place in time. In fact many communities who tried bio-metrics said it was great but no one wanted to do it. All the stores who have thumb print scans here in Minneapolis say it is very unpopular.

So no matter what kind of currency you have, digital, paper, precious metals, barter or bio-metrics, there will be a database saying you haven't accepted or pledged allegiance to the image beast so you are not permitted to buy or sell. That would be so easy it could happen tomorrow. Especially since everything is digitally connected NOW! Instantaneous record search.

"In Revelation we read concerning Satan: “And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, and deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast (Catholic church); saying to them that dwell on the earth (The earth beast; America), that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name” (Revelation 13:13-17)....{3SM 393.1}

Satan is the one who doth great wonders.

He has already brought fire down from heaven in the sight of the beast in Fatima Portugal.

One of over 100,000 witnesses said...
"I feel incapable of describing what I saw. I looked fixedly at the sun, which seemed pale and did not hurt my eyes. Looking like a ball of snow, revolving on itself, it suddenly seemed to come down in a zig-zag, menacing the earth. Terrified, I ran and hid myself among the people, who were weeping and expecting the end of the world at any moment." — Rev. Joaquim Lourenço, describing his boyhood experience in Alburitel, eighteen kilometers from Fatima.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_Sun

That was in 1917, less than two years after God's servant died, who could have told everyone what it was. Satan waited until she was gone to start his accepted apparitions.

Satan is giving power to the image to the beast right now with the Evangelical, Charismatic, Evangelical and Lutheran protestants signing ecumenical agreements and giving praise to the Harlot. The Spiritual manifestations of Satan are being supported by the image to the beast right now. They are manifesting their own special events to show the beast, and most Adventists are looking in the wrong place.

The current pope has dedicated the world to Mary according to the commands of Satan in Fatima in apparitions. Next he commands them to officially accept Mary as the Mediatrix of the world, the fifth Marian dogma.

We are much closer than anyone here even realizes.

Rapid movements are trying enough for those who are fully prepared.
Unfortunately all others will be overcome.
The Flood, Sodom & Gomorrah, the destruction of Jerusalem, etc.

A cashless economy is right at the door - cell phones make it all possible.
Banking & commerce in much of the developing world is accomplished by cellular network,
where currency is never exchanged. For many, the cell phone is their first bank account.
Neighbours exchange money using their phones.

There are nearly 7 billion cell phone subscriptions worldwide, over 95% of all people.
Nearly everyone, to the poorest Indian farmer, has a cell phone.
Converting a small country like the U.S.A. (5% of world pop.) to cellphone banking = easy.
Many Americans already bank online, use credit/debit cards, etc.

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Sunday Laws will arrive due to an emergency, an unforeseen crisis.
Not as some believe, due to protracted legislative debates by reasonable officials.

Emergencies can be manipulated to instill fear among citizens.
World leaders will claim that the cause of disasters is a departure from God's Law.
"Hurry - stamp out heresy & idolatry, render sacrifice, appease the angry God."

Weather events and species decline seem ominous enough.
Just imagine 5 Fukushimas, two week hurricanes, several major earthquakes,
all on American soil. Wildfires, floods, pipeline spills, etc.
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