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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3) [Re: Green Cochoa] #166434
06/30/14 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
Originally Posted By: kland
Green, why did the KJV not capitalize "him" in Matthew 10:28?


Originally Posted By: APL
Oh I know which text you posted. I know which version you posted. But what you did was take the modern version's interpretation of the verse. The KJV did not capitalize the word because it did not imply that it was God, but you do!


The KJV never capitalizes pronouns for God, Jesus, etc....ever. It was not customary at the time the KJV was published to do this. The only times when the "he," "him," or "his" for God is capitalized in the KJV are the times when the grammar requires such, i.e. when the word is at the beginning of a sentence.

But Green, you did. Why did you capitalize "Him" in your mind? What justification do you have?

Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3) [Re: APL] #166436
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Originally Posted By: APL
The pages are arbitrary. I see only 10 pages in this thread. This is easy to change in "Member Control Panel" under the "Edit Preferences" and changing the default setting of the "Total posts to show on one page when viewing a post in flat mode: (default is 10)" to 99.
Originally Posted By: daryl
Just a reminder that there are only another 4 pages before this part 3 thread is permanently closed.
Only 4 more? I thought you said up to 99 pages. APL is incorrect. It is not page 10, but page 48 showing on my screen.

Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3) [Re: Mountain Man] #166437
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Originally Posted By: APL
Did I ever say a symbolic lake of fire? I do not recall such a statement. . . Listen to the following series of lectures and see if you have the same view afterwards.

I wish I had the time listen to the lectures but I don't. It would be greatly appreciated if you summarized your view of the lake of fire and how sinners will destroy themselves in it. Thank you.
My testimony has been ineffectual on you. IF you want to learn, then listen. IF not, then so be it.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3) [Re: kland] #166438
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Originally Posted By: APL
The pages are arbitrary. I see only 10 pages in this thread. This is easy to change in "Member Control Panel" under the "Edit Preferences" and changing the default setting of the "Total posts to show on one page when viewing a post in flat mode: (default is 10)" to 99.
Originally Posted By: daryl
Just a reminder that there are only another 4 pages before this part 3 thread is permanently closed.
Only 4 more? I thought you said up to 99 pages. APL is incorrect. It is not page 10, but page 48 showing on my screen.
kland - did you change your default settings to 99 messages per page? If not, then of course, YOU will see more pages, but not me. Change the setting and see.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3) [Re: Daryl] #166439
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But Green, you did. Why did you capitalize "Him" in your mind? What justification do you have?
EXACTLY!!! The KJV leaves it up to interpretation. The newer versions do NOT. THAT is the point. What say ye Green?


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3) [Re: APL] #166440
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Originally Posted By: APL
My testimony has been ineffectual on you. IF you want to learn, then listen. IF not, then so be it.

Too bad. I was hoping you would finish your testimony. You have not explained how sinners will destroy themselves in the lake of fire.

Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3) [Re: Daryl] #166441
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Ellen White capitalized the word "Him". She believes it refers to God. I trust her insight.

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"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul; but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Christ has purchased the entire being, mind, soul, and body. The price of man's redemption has been paid, and all he has and is should be sprinkled with the blood of Christ, dedicated to God; for it belongs to Him. Our motto should be, "I am not my own; for I have been bought with a price." {ST, August 1, 1900 par. 5}

To the transgressor it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God; but Moses stood alone in the presence of the Eternal One, and he was not afraid; for his soul was in harmony with the will of his Maker. {PP 329.1}

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That Lamb whose wrath will be so terrible to the scorners of His grace will be grace and righteousness and love and blessing to all who have received Him. The pillar of cloud that was dark with terror and avenging wrath to the Egyptians, was to the people of God a pillar of fire for brightness. So will it be to the Lord's people in these last days. The light and glory of God to His commandment-keeping people are darkness to the unbelieving. They see that it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. The arm, long stretched, strong to save all who come unto Him, is strong to execute His judgment upon all who would not come unto Him that they might have life. God grant that while mercy still lingers, while the voice of invitation is still heard, there will be a turning unto the Lord. The sure provision has been made to shelter every soul and shield those who have kept His commandments until the indignation be overpast. {TMK 356.4}

"He that despised Moses" law [which was the law of God] died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know Him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto Me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge His people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God" [Hebrews 10:28-31]. --Letter 35, 1898. {19MR 177.2}

The sinners in Zion should be afraid, in a time when they do not expect it, sudden destruction will surely come upon all who are at ease. {RH, December 23, 1890 par. 10}

And the plagues of God are already falling upon the earth, sweeping away costly structures as if by a breath of fire from heaven. Will not these judgments bring professing Christians to their senses? God permits them to come that the world may take heed, that sinners may be afraid and tremble before Him. {11MR 355.1} (Note that the word "Him" is capitalized).

Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3) [Re: Daryl] #166443
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Originally Posted By: mm
And the plagues of God are already falling upon the earth, sweeping away costly structures as if by a breath of fire from heaven. Will not these judgments bring professing Christians to their senses? God permits them to come that the world may take heed, that sinners may be afraid and tremble before Him. {11MR 355.1} (Note that the word "Him" is capitalized).

The plagues of God - is God that one that causes the 7 last plagues? How? For what purpose? HINT - the series by Tonstad answers these questions, but I know you have no time. Too bad.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3) [Re: Daryl] #166445
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I use all the research time I have on the Bible and the SOP - which is why I don't have time for Tonstad. It would help if you explained the lake of fire and how sinners destroy themselves in it.

Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3) [Re: Daryl] #166446
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Too bad it doesn't read -

And the plagues of Satan are already falling upon the earth, sweeping away costly structures as if by a breath of fire from hell. Will not these judgments bring professing Christians to their senses? Satan causes them to come that the world may take heed, that sinners may be afraid and tremble before him. {11MR 355.1} (Note that the word "him" is lower case).

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