Son of thunder,









The Bible as it reads is very clear: A horn is a king.





The Bible as it reads is very clear: the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings.




When the word of God is studied in-depth, what you have written may have some merit and be applicable under some circumstances. But to take a clear thus saith the Lord and explain it away in favor of what you think or what you have been taught is an error: private interpretation.

Interesting how those who wish to push interpretations of prophecy that don't line up with Adventist belief will then turn to judging others as unrepentant and without Christ.
Hmmm....

Habakkuk 3:4 And his brightness was as the light; he had horns coming out of his hand: and there was the hiding of his power.

Let prophecy speak for itself.

So many here take only one verse and try weave a whole doctrine out of it. If you take all of the verses associated with the word Horn it is always regarding a power. That power could be a man yes, like Alexander the Great he was a force to be reckoned with because of his prowess. But that does not negate the fact that he was a power. EVERY time a horn is mentioned it is to do with the power that entity wields.

The ten horns of Rev 17 are ten kings who have not received POWER yet.

The little horn speaks blasphemy because of the POWER that is given to him.

The Lamb like beast has two horns like a lamb but exercises the POWER of the beast before him.

You make up your own rules and you have no right to quote the Spirit of Prophecy to defend your argument if you are going to try to ignore direct statements that contradict your claim.

"The “two horns like a lamb” well represent the character of our own Government, as expressed in its two fundamental principles,—Republicanism and Protestantism. These principles are the secret of our power and prosperity as a nation." {ST February 8, 1910, par. 6}

Your claim does not reflect the same light as the Spirit of Prophecy so it is not from God. Period.

Son of thunder,

Are you saying that EGW says the horns ARE whatever?

As I read it she clearly says the characteristics of the horns ARE...

Big difference



These are not just "HORNS", they are “two horns like a lamb”.







The horns are as the Bible states: kings/ rulers.

The characteristics and traits of these men is represented as "lamblike" i.e., "Let Christians show that they are Christ-like" {ST, June 29, 1888 par. 8} "It is a realization of the fact that our characters are Christlike, that calls forth the song of praise and thanksgiving to God and to the Lamb."{ST, July 31, 1893 par. 1}

We have a direct statement from the Spirit of Prophecy saying the two horns are reptesnting Republicanism and protestantism. The lamblikeness shows the mildness gentleness and innocence like Christ when it first arrose. Was president Obama around then? According to you Obama is not lamblike at all how could the horns be illustrating Obama?

It sounds like the same argument that was used by the priests in Christ's day and the leaders in 1888 that would rather fight than switch.





But when the endtime meaning of Daniel and Revelation is seen to be popes and presidents, those who rest on the studies of the pioneers instead of the prophecies themselves, caution others to keep silent. While claiming to rightly understand the Spirit of prophecy, these shepherds contradict its clearest command.





The only way to understand the Bible and its prophecy is to study the Bible and then turn to the Spirit of Prophecy for confirmation and clarification.

I see this thread has been successfully derailed from it's topic.
The solemn messages are no longer being discussed, but rather individual presidents and popes and individual interpretations are pushed to the forefront.


Just remember --

A very major part of the third angel's message!
The "remnant church" will be those who keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus."
The test for every church member FIRST will be if they are securely anchored in Christ in faith and obedience -- and that test will be Sunday laws. Those who are not anchored, and lightly regard the Sabbath and any other of those commandments, will be swept away into the ranks of the ecumenical movement.

This shaking will first happen in the church and then the test will go out to the whole world --
Will they worship and obey God who created the heavens and earth, and set apart the seventh day and sanctified it and asked His people to remember to keep it holy.
Or will they worship the beast by honoring his sign of supposed authority over and above the laws of God.


Popes and presidents will unite to implement that, that is important to know so we are not deceived by a seemingly religious movement -- yet which one will do it is NOT the test.
It's time we start looking at the spiritual side of Daniel and Revelation instead of genealogies and rulers.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if both Obama and Pope Francis lose their seats and some very religious ones take their place to supposedly "undo" the damage these have done, and thereby deceive many into joining them even though they promote Sunday.


That has long been "in the plan"
The "chastisement" of the Catholic church has been prophesied by their visionaries. Pope in exile or worse. Then a righteous pope is to arise and raise the banner high and lead a world in chaos back to God.

I'm not shutting any doors, but will always tell people to KNOW WHAT THE TEST WILL BE - don't get fixated on any one pope or president, it may all be simply a decoy to bring in the real deception by which satan plans to deceive "if possible" the very elect.

Thus the thread begins.

When statements about Pope Francis I and question 3 that began this topic are answered in detail from the perspective of current events that relate to President Obama and Pope Francis some conclude that the topic has been derailed.



While light moves to greater light some things do not change.

This TYPE of "new light" has been urged upon me since as long as I can remember. Someone, somewhere is always coming up with another (this is the one message) with all the claimed authority of standing as the last messenger to a people who are supposedly doomed because they reject his "this is the one" or a "this is the sign" message.

The interesting thing is -- they all had bible texts to back them up. Yet, how is it that so many diverse interpretations can spring from an inspired book?

It's basically this -- people are bored with the "historicist" approach and are casting about for something new. Something to get them all stirred up with excitement.

I remember back in the 60's several families were convinced that the time had come. They got themselves a bit of land way out in the bush, build a small cabin, sold everything else, and lived there amongst stacks of firewood and cans of food. I was at their cabin some twenty years later. Now some 55 years later they are no longer alive.

But back then in the early sixties, excitement was building. We already lived way out in lumber camp in the mountains of British Columbia, so felt no need to move.

But what sent these people and several other families into the bush? Several things -
1) The judgment hour message went out in 1844. The Bible says more than once that as it was in the days of Noah.... and we know Noah preached for 120 years until probation closed for preflood peoples. Translate that in "present truth" 1844 + 120 = 1964. Of course no one tried to establish a day or hour, but excitement was very real -- Jesus was about to come.
2) America had just elected the first Catholic president in 1960. America, it was said, was opening her doors to the Catholic movement to take over America.
3) Even Billy Graham publically said the world couldn't last beyond five years.
4) Sunday blue laws were in heated discussion. There was the push against them, as well as strong support for them. Several court decisions were made saying Sunday closing laws are not against the constitution.
For example: Braunfeld v. Brown held that the free exercise clause did not mandate an exemption from Sunday Closing Laws for an Orthodox Jewish merchant who observed Saturday as the Sabbath and was thereby required to be closed two days of the week rather than one.

That was my first experience with "present truth" being promoted.



Then there was a "messenger" in the 1980's that nearly destroyed our church with his message which he insisted everyone must accept. Reams of paper full with EGW quotes and Bible texts were given us. Jubilee years, current events all complied to show that things would wrap up before the 1990's would arrive.


So really, when people fixate on certain people as "the one" or certain "time" or "certain" catastrophe as it, and call that "new light" or "present truth" to me it's a clear indication that they are simply following a very well worn path that keeps popping up beside the path of truth but which always leads into confusion ending in nothingness.


The message is clear and sure --
Under the guidance of the papacy, American Protestants will form an image of the beast (become very much like the papacy) and use government power to enforce a state religion that is in opposition to God's commandments (specifically the Sabbath commandment). The European nations will give their support to this, and the movement will become world wide.
Every pope and president in the last century has put more building blocks into making this come true.


We don't have to pick an arbitrary president from which to start a count down. I'm sure people studying prophecy could have made four presidents sort of fit the four beasts way back in the 1950