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Re: 3rd Quarter 2014 - The Teachings of Jesus [Re: APL] #167307
08/07/14 08:11 PM
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Did Christ take our sinful tendencies?

He had not taken on Him even the nature of the angels, but humanity, perfectly identical with our own nature, except without the taint of sin. {16MR 181.4}

So you do agree he shared out heredity.

The passage is clear. He shared our heredity except without the taint of sin. We are born with the taint of sin. He wasn't.

He was born without a taint of sin, but came into the world in like manner as the human family.--Letter 97, 1898. {7ABC 453.2}

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Re: 3rd Quarter 2014 - The Teachings of Jesus [Re: Daryl] #167309
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Tell me what you think the "taint of sin" means to you?


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: 3rd Quarter 2014 - The Teachings of Jesus [Re: Daryl] #167310
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But here we must not become in our ideas common and earthly, and in our perverted ideas we must not think that the liability of Christ to yield to Satan's temptations degraded His humanity and He possessed the same sinful, corrupt propensities as man. {16MR 182.2}

The divine nature, combined with the human, made Him capable of yielding to Satan's temptations. Here the test to Christ was far greater than that of Adam and Eve, for Christ took our nature, fallen but not corrupted, and would not be corrupted unless He received the words of Satan in the place of the words of God. {16MR 182.3}


By God's grace,
Arnold

1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: 3rd Quarter 2014 - The Teachings of Jesus [Re: Daryl] #167318
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Tell me what you think the "taint of sin" means to you?

It means sinful propensities, as other quotes make clear.

Thank you for the quote, Arnold!

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Re: 3rd Quarter 2014 - The Teachings of Jesus [Re: Daryl] #167320
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"fallen but not corrupted". What is a fallen nature? Please explain if you can.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: 3rd Quarter 2014 - The Teachings of Jesus [Re: Daryl] #167326
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Man's nature has three aspects: physical, intellectual/mental, and spiritual/moral. Adam fell in all three aspects. Jesus was different from Adam (before the fall) in His physical and intellectual nature, but like Adam in His moral/spiritual nature. This is what "fallen, but not corrupted" means. We, OTOH, are different from Adam in all three aspects.

The human nature of Christ was like unto ours. And suffering was really more keenly felt by Him, for His spiritual nature was free from every taint of sin. {CTr 268.6}

Last edited by Rosangela; 08/08/14 11:03 AM. Reason: putting the word "but" in the place of "mas" (which is "but" in Portuguese). :)
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Re: 3rd Quarter 2014 - The Teachings of Jesus [Re: Daryl] #167328
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So, do you then agree that Christ had our same flesh, our vile body as we do?


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: 3rd Quarter 2014 - The Teachings of Jesus [Re: Daryl] #167335
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Sure I agree! Jesus was different from us in His mind.

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Re: 3rd Quarter 2014 - The Teachings of Jesus [Re: Rosangela] #167337
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Sure I agree! Jesus was different from us in His mind.


And where does the mind reside? In the flesh. No flesh, no mind! Unless you believe in a separate spirit which I don't think you do.

What did Christ come to save us from? A legal penalty? NO.

Christ has redeemed us; our very flesh He has saved at an infinite cost, giving His own flesh for the life of the world. {SpM 209.2}

It is by overcoming the world, the flesh, and the devil that any student comes into possession of that knowledge that gives him access to the tree of life. We must all learn that we must overcome as Christ overcame in our behalf [what did Christ overcome as we must overcome?]. All pride is sin, and must be expelled from the soul. Christ came to cut us loose from the originator of sin. He came to give us a mastery over the power of the destroyer [what is the power of the destroyer?], and to save us from the sting of the serpent [What is the sting of the serpent? - DEATH]. Through his imparted righteousness he would place all human beings where they will be on vantage ground. He came to this earth and lived the law of God that man might stand in his God-given manhood, having complete mastery over his natural inclination to self-indulgence [Christ never had self-indulgence - but where do the natural inclinations come from which all mankind inherits?] and to the selfish ideas and principles which tarnish the soul. The Physician of soul and body, he will give wisdom and complete victory over warring lusts. He will provide every facility, that man may perfect a completeness of character in every respect.--Ms 161, 1898, p. 1. (Untitled, typed December 10, 1898.) Released April 28, 1976. {7MR 320.1}
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Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: 3rd Quarter 2014 - The Teachings of Jesus [Re: APL] #167341
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And where does the mind reside? In the flesh. No flesh, no mind! Unless you believe in a separate spirit which I don't think you do.

Jones said: He was made in the likeness of sinful flesh. Don't go too far. He was made in the likeness of sinful flesh; not in the likeness of sinful mind. Do not drag His mind into it. His flesh was our flesh; but the mind was "the mind of Christ Jesus."

Even he made a clear distinction between sinful mind and sinful flesh. Do you not agree with the distinction? Do you think that Paul would have been correct had he said, "Let this FLESH be in you which was also in Christ Jesus"?


By God's grace,
Arnold

1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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