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How Are We To Love the Soldiers of ISIS?
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09/10/14 03:52 AM
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It is a straight forward question - how are we to love the soldiers of ISIS?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: How Are We To Love the Soldiers of ISIS?
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09/10/14 09:47 AM
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By praying that they will repent of their sins and turn to the Son of God for salvation.
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Re: How Are We To Love the Soldiers of ISIS?
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09/11/14 01:10 AM
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Is praying all one does? What if you lived in Iraq and ISIS soldiers were coming to your town. You have access to a large cache of weapons. What should the Christian do?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: How Are We To Love the Soldiers of ISIS?
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09/11/14 10:12 PM
09/11/14 10:12 PM
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APL,
Seeing you brought it up, what would you do???
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Re: How Are We To Love the Soldiers of ISIS?
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09/12/14 01:27 PM
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Love the sinner; hate the sin.
Christians were faced with identical questions during WWI and WWII.
ISIS murderers would not last long on American soil. If they made it as far as my house . . . I hope I would trust Jesus to do the right thing.
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Re: How Are We To Love the Soldiers of ISIS?
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09/14/14 02:11 AM
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Is praying all one does? What if you lived in Iraq and ISIS soldiers were coming to your town. You have access to a large cache of weapons. What should the Christian do? First of all I won't have "a large cache of weapons" I won't even have a small one. So that won't even enter the equation. I think we are told to head for the hills when that kind of thing comes against God's people. And yes, PRAY! They posted a little news clip of an elderly woman who found herself with an uninvited passenger with a gun in her car. She calmly turned to him and said -- you don't frighten me, if you shoot me I'll go be with Jesus, ( a little wrong theology but the concept of eternity with Christ is correct) I'm ready to go, but what about you? You shoot me and you'll probably end up in hell. ( end up in the lake of fire) In her case it saved her life -- the guy with the gun got out of her car and left her unscathed. It may not always work that way -- but the concept is still true, a true Christian who dies will live again, no ISIS can take that away from them. But what about the soldiers? What future do they have? As to "what would I do" -- I don't know, all I can do is pray that if ever faced with a situation like that I will remain true to my Savior and fully trust in Him. Ps. 91:1 He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. 91:2 I will say of the LORD, [He is] my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust. 91:3 Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, [and] from the noisome pestilence. 91:4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust:
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Re: How Are We To Love the Soldiers of ISIS?
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09/15/14 03:46 AM
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First of all I won't have "a large cache of weapons" I won't even have a small one. So that won't even enter the equation. That was not the scenario - you may not have them, but they may be available to you. It is EVER right for a Christian to kill an ISIS soldier?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: How Are We To Love the Soldiers of ISIS?
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09/15/14 03:48 AM
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Love the sinner; hate the sin.
Christians were faced with identical questions during WWI and WWII.
ISIS murderers would not last long on American soil. If they made it as far as my house . . . I hope I would trust Jesus to do the right thing. Which might be what? Tell you to shoot to kill? What would you do?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: How Are We To Love the Soldiers of ISIS?
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09/15/14 05:01 PM
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Well, if God's going to burn 'em anyway, why not help God out? If by knowing God, we start acting like God, shouldn't we express the fruits of God? Wouldn't that actually be showing them "love"?
It could also save some "innocent" people.
It could serve as an example to other wanna-be ISIS people.
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Re: How Are We To Love the Soldiers of ISIS?
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09/16/14 04:34 AM
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First of all I won't have "a large cache of weapons" I won't even have a small one. So that won't even enter the equation. That was not the scenario - you may not have them, but they may be available to you. It is EVER right for a Christian to kill an ISIS soldier? was it right for David to kill Goliath, APL? (There is no question that it was right, for the Spirit of the Lord moved him to do so. See quote below.) Was it presumption that led David to think that he might be a match for Goliath? Was it a spirit of pride and self-sufficiency that made him dare to meet this mighty warrior who was defying the Israel of God? David had none of this spirit. Modest and unassuming, he did not make this declaration trusting in his own wisdom, skill, or power, but in the strength of God, who had delivered him out of the paw of the lion and the bear when he was watching his father's flocks in the wilderness. {ST, March 4, 1886 par. 4}
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David's heart was not in the least intimidated; for he knew in whom was his trust. "Thou comest to me," he said, "with a sword, and with a spear, and with a shield; but I come to thee in the name of the Lord of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom thou hast defied. This day will the Lord deliver thee into mine hand," "that all the earth may know that there is a God in Israel. And all this assembly shall know that the Lord saveth not with sword and spear; for the battle is the Lord's, and he will give you into our hands." {ST, March 4, 1886 par. 6} That's a truth we can depend on. But that doesn't mean we sit back idly doing nothing expecting God to do it all. When God asks us to do something, we do it, however unpleasant, dangerous, or disagreeable the task may seem. The fact is, this whole thread is bait for people to waste their time in futile debate with you on a topic of questionable theology that you are very exercised about and have continually sought to bring into our discussions here on this forum. We have already spent, literally, thousands of posts vainly seeking to help you understand that God does indeed punish, just as He says He will. This "how to deal with ISIS soldiers" is but discussion-bait for a thinly concealed reincarnation of the same theological fallacy that you have brought before. In more worldly forums, the OP here would be called "trolling." As before, you don't answer a straight question directly. You dodge, avoid, twist and turn to keep from answering straightly. These are debate tactics, but are they tactics which Christians should be using? You have asked what you called "a straight-forward question." If you want a straight answer, why are you unwilling to give one? I'll be happy to see that you are more willing than it has first appeared. Start by answering the question in post #168057. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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