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A couple of off-topic posts have been removed. Please keep posts on topic. The thread title shows what the topic is. It is: "Biblical Distinction Between Killing and Murder."

For the sake of clarification, this topic is simply what it says it is. Tangential topics like "does God punish" and "should we love our neighbor" are better fit for other threads.

Thank you!

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Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

I see.

So if I don't understand the difference, then I don't deserve to know the difference.

Loving your neighbor is directly related to the topic. Who is your neighbor? A thief that comes to steal? Yes. Is your property more valuable than the thief? Will you kill a thief in order to keep you precious dollars? If you kill in self-defense, you are not lying in wait, it was not premeditated, must be the right thing, right? That is NOT what Jesus said. How readest thou?

Green, even though you say I am getting caught up in the examples you give, even though you say I need to understand the principle, even though I ask you for the principle of the examples you give, you have yet to give the principle. Is that because you do not know it? Is that because you see the fallacy of the examples you give? Is that because you realize talking about revengers of killing have nothing to do with making any such distinction?

Oh yes! I agree wholeheartedly! Which is what we have been saying. But when you hide behind your examples, thinking there is some "principle", and keep repeating it hoping there is some principle that it somehow relates to the topic, but yet fail to be able to specify any principle, what does that say about your understanding of the nature of God Himself?

Again, you misunderstand. Here's the simple truth: If you can't see the difference, you will never understand the difference.

That you cannot see the stark difference between life and death indicates that there is no hope for you to see the nuances between killing and murder. Read the Deut passage again and try to see the differing instructions for people who flee to the cities of refuge. But while you see no difference, there's no point in moving from milk to meat.

I have given the principle in this thread already. The fact that you haven't seen it further supports Arnold's understanding of your present blindness.

I will give it again, as I have no need to be miserly with the truth, I have nothing to hide, and the truth is so simple a child can understand it.

The distinguishing principle between "murder" and "killing" in the Bible can be condensed to one concept: LOVE.

If I kill in hate, it is murder. If I kill in strict justice and love, in order to uphold God's commandments, it is not.

That's pretty simple, isn't it? Are you able to see a distinction between love and hate?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

What a twisted view of love. Please, show your view from the words of Jesus? You can't. Christ's commandments were to turn the other cheek, to do GOOD to your enemy. That is pretty simple.

I cannot show you perhaps, but I have already shown everyone else here. Did you think God's words in the Old Testament were not Jesus' words? In this you were mistaken.

"The instruction given in the Old Testament Scriptures is as verily the word of Christ as the instruction in the New Testament." -- Ellen White

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

I have shown you in a post that Jesus got His view of God from the OLD TESTAMENT. You deleted the post as off topic.

He didn't just view God, He WAS the God of the OT. So, that Deut passage was from Jesus Himself.

And in the NT, I don't think Jesus was pronouncing eternal life upon the goats. And the most massive death scene of all is found in Christ's Revelation of Himself. If you can't accept that God's love can include death, you're going to have to reject the NT along with the OT.