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Re: What does God require before we are baptized?
#16902
02/08/06 02:33 PM
02/08/06 02:33 PM
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Ah, God gets no credit for the Bible. That would explin your mode of thinking.
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Re: What does God require before we are baptized?
#16903
02/08/06 02:35 PM
02/08/06 02:35 PM
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Dave, God gets credit for creating the universe. What higher honor can He receive?
The ancients dressed the way they did to cover themselves. I can cover myself without using their fashion designers.
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Re: What does God require before we are baptized?
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02/08/06 02:42 PM
02/08/06 02:42 PM
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quote:
All Scripture is given by God and is useful for teaching, for showing people what is wrong in their lives, for correcting faults, and for teaching how to live right.
2 Timothy 3:16 NCV
If scripture is given by God, he surly must get some credit for it. If scripture should be used to teach one how to live right, that would mean that even the customs of the scripture are important to living right.
I do not think covering is a very significant lesson. After the fall, it was one of the first things man figured out.
But then if the Bible is not credited in some way to God, all of this is irrelevant because there can be no trust in the Bible. I'm wondering, what do you base doctrine on if not the Bible? What do you base your beliefs on?
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Re: What does God require before we are baptized?
#16905
02/08/06 02:53 PM
02/08/06 02:53 PM
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A more serious question for SDA members is as follows: quote:
Do you believe that the Bible is God's inspired Word, the only rule of faith and practice for the Christian? Do you covenant to spend time regularly in prayer and Bible study?
Seventh-day Adventist Church Manuel (2000 Edition), p.32 [SDA Baptismal Vow #5]
In saying that God gets no credit for the Bible, does that make on guilty of baring false witness before the church and God?
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Re: What does God require before we are baptized?
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02/08/06 04:15 PM
02/08/06 04:15 PM
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He didn't see God gets no credit for writing the Bible. He said God didn't write it; that God is a better writier than what we see in the Bible. He's right on this point. God didn't write the Bible; He inspired writers who wrote. I'm not sure what the siginificance of this point is to the discussion, however.
To the baptism question. John's baptism was to prepare the way for the coming Messiah. Paul's baptism was to proclaim faith in the Messiah who came. That's one difference.
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Re: What does God require before we are baptized?
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02/08/06 07:09 PM
02/08/06 07:09 PM
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Well, to be fair, he did not say that that God gets any credit for the Bible either. The response was not committed to either view. quote:
Originally posted by Darius:
Dave, God gets credit for creating the universe. What higher honor can He receive?
The significance is probably something to do with baptism being irrelevant to this time in his mind.
quote:
Originally posted by Tom Ewall:
To the baptism question. John's baptism was to prepare the way for the coming Messiah. Paul's baptism was to proclaim faith in the Messiah who came. That's one difference.
Is there an echo in here? ![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif)
quote:
Originally posted by Dave Hoover:
What is the difference between the baptism of John and the baptism of Paul? Well:
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While Apollos was in Corinth, Paul was visiting some places on the way to Ephesus. There he found some followers and asked them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" They said, "We have never even heard of a Holy Spirit." So he asked, "What kind of baptism did you have?" They said, "It was the baptism that John taught." Paul said, "John's baptism was a baptism of changed hearts and lives. He told people to believe in the one who would come after him, and that one is Jesus." When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then Paul laid his hands on them, and the Holy Spirit came upon them. They began speaking different languages and prophesying. There were about twelve people in this group
Acts 19:1 - 7 NCV
It would seem that Paul's baptism was not Paul's, but the Holy Spirit's, and the difference was that John baptized in preparation of Jesus while the apostles baptized in Jesus.
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Re: What does God require before we are baptized?
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02/08/06 07:32 PM
02/08/06 07:32 PM
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Dave, I am more interested in what will bring lasting peace to the people of the earth than in which argument props up selected human organizations. If the facts show that the earth is not flat it does not matter that men have for thousands of years believed it is.
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Re: What does God require before we are baptized?
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02/08/06 07:42 PM
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Then you should look to the Bible to find what will bring everlasting peace. I'll even help you figure it out; Jesus' Second Advent. Now if we want to be partakers in that everlasting peace, we should probably be baptized and baptize others as Jesus told us to baptize all nations.
I fail to see how you assert the ignorance of facts in such a matter.
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Re: What does God require before we are baptized?
#16910
02/08/06 07:47 PM
02/08/06 07:47 PM
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Dave, words are cheap. Please explain why the Second Coming has not occurred.
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Re: What does God require before we are baptized?
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02/08/06 07:49 PM
02/08/06 07:49 PM
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