That's because neither you nor APL has answered any of the questions I posed. You were only able to read the 1st paragraph. I repeated it so you would not miss the rest. It is good that APL brought the parallel to Satan to your attention. If you were the father, what would you do about your son?

Third time's a charm, they say. So, here goes.


Let's say my son tells me that his life goal was to hurt, injure, and damage himself before ultimtely committing suicide. On top of that, he will make every effort to hurt, injure, damage, and kill as many as he can in the meantime. I certainly would not be agreeable to such a plan.

What should a loving father do? Should I just beg him to reconsider? Should I just let him hurt and murder me in the hopes that my sacrifice will help him see his errors? If he does not change his mind, should I just wait for him to eventually kill himself, avoiding any kind of force to keep him from hurting himself or others? Should I simply stop providing him the food/water/shelter that he needs to live, knowing that his life depends on my providence?

What is the loving thing to do?

Good thing you also noticed the breadth and depth of APL's analysis. That was ..... captivating.

Did God commit euthanasia with Moses and Aaron? He put them to death painlessly, did He not?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Sigh...
Asygo! We have an example: God's treatment of Satan.

That's not news. What do you think God is going to do with Satan? Keep providing him with life so that he can continue doing what he's doing until he decides to kill himself, without any input from God? What happens to those who disagree with God's ways? What is the loving thing to do?

Put it into context of your example of your wayward son, that is Satan. Did God "take out" Satan to prevent all the destruction he was doing and has caused to happen? Why? It sounds like you are holding God responsible for the origin and/or continuation of sin. Force: The exercise of force is contrary to the principles of God's government; He desires only the service of love; and love cannot be commanded; it cannot be won by force or authority. Only by love is love awakened.

God does not say, "Love me, or I'll kill you."

This is suicide, not euthanasia.

Definiton of euthanasia by the BBC's Ethics Guide


How can the motivation here be hatred?

1. Just because God has not done something according to your schedule doesn't mean He's not going to do it. It is arrogant to think that God is subject to your ideas of punctuality.

2. So your idea of love would have the father enabling the son to hurt himself and others indefinitely. Sin would be immortalized. That's not a new idea, but it is not God's idea.

3. God says: I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked. Why would you die? Turn and live.

Time? Did I mention time? Hm - let's see, you brought up the idea of what to do about your son that was out to destroy everything in his path and what to do about it. Now are you suggesting that it is OK to let said son mame, rape, torture and kill but then stop at a given point in the future, no time given? That is the implication of your comment. Satan has been allowed to destroy God's creation, but there will be a point when it will stop. Why was sin permitted?

OH - you add a new word, "indefinitely". Where did I ever say that??? But it is nice to add if you want to demonize your opponent. But you are implying in #1 that God has enabled Satan to hurt himself and others.

Exactly, turn and live! Christ came to save His people FROM their SIN. Not from what God was going to do to them if they refused to love Him back. Sin pays it wage, death. Christ demonstrated this at Calvary - Sin killed Christ. The Father did not execute His Son.

Perhaps you should read EGW, PP chapter 1 and GC chapter 29 AGAIN.