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Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer. [Re: Mountain Man] #169033
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But still with the sentence of death.


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1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer. [Re: Mountain Man] #169096
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The death sentence is based on past sinning - not current, ongoing sinning.

Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer. [Re: Mountain Man] #169111
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Past sin affects our current condition.


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1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer. [Re: Mountain Man] #169178
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And for eternity. However, the atoning blood of Jesus does not cover the unholy clamorings of sinful flesh. It is not necessary. We are not guilty of sinning based on the fact our fallen flesh tempts us from within. Which is why Jesus was able to inhabit sinful flesh without incurring guilt. He was tempted from within just like a born-again believer.

Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer. [Re: Mountain Man] #169204
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I should have been clearer. Past sin affects our current condemnation.


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1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer. [Re: Mountain Man] #169217
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What do you mean? As you know, past sins pardoned incurs no guilt or condemnation. Only willful, ongoing sinning incurs guilt and condemnation.

Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer. [Re: Mountain Man] #169225
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If not for Christ's covering grace, our past sins would kill us today.


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1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer. [Re: Mountain Man] #169274
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True. If Jesus was not the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world Adam and Eve would have perished and none of us would have been born. Jesus cannot cover unpardoned sins or willful sinning. Jesus does not have to cover the clamouring of sinful flesh.

Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer. [Re: Mountain Man] #169279
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I could agree with that if I believed that sinful flesh did not clamor for sinful things. But I don't.


By God's grace,
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1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer. [Re: Mountain Man] #169369
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Sinful flesh is not a sentient being. It does not have a conscience. It cannot form character. It cannot sin. It does not need a Saviour. It can only tempt us from within to be unlike Jesus. It is not a sin to be tempted. Which how and why Jesus possessed the likeness of sinful flesh.

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