This seems to be in full harmony with the purpose of this book. It is the Revelation of Jesus Christ (Rev. 1:1). Jesus Christ is revealed in this book more than anyone else.

Early Writings, pg 36 "I saw that the four angels would hold the four winds until Jesus' work was done in the sanctuary, and then will come the seven last plagues."

Karen--"The prophetic movement of the SDA has the power of God to go against the Papacy. The SDAs are 'called, and chosen, and faithful (Rev 17:14). May God help us to be 'faithful'!

Amen, however let us remember that this "spiritual warfare" will only be successful upon the pouring out of God's full Spirit at the time of the Loud Cry.

"The third angel’s message is to lighten the earth with its glory; but only those who have withstood temptation in the strength of the Mighty One will be permitted to act a part in proclaiming it when it shall have swelled into the loud cry." (RH, No.19, 1908)

Before we address EW, p.36, it is certainly correct in that "Jesus Christ is revealed in Revelation" more than any other book in the Bible. The Seven trumpets show how in every age (after each sealing period) the rejecters of God’s truth and mercy bring destruction upon themselves. Also, how in our time we may be sealed and thus escape the terrors of the great and dreadful day of the Lord - the Judgment of the Living. Which begins in God's house, our church (1 Peter 4:17)

Though the author of Early Writings says that Christ will not leave the sanctuary before His "work is done," yet elsewhere she writes:

"They will feed upon the errors and mistakes and faults of others, 'until,' said the angel, 'the Lord Jesus shall rise up from his mediatorial work in the heavenly sanctuary, and shall clothe himself with the garments of vengeance, and surprise them at their unholy feast; and they will find themselves unprepared for the marriage supper of the Lamb.'"--Testimonies Vol. 5, p. 690.

Viewing the question in the light of both statements, we see that Christ leaves the sanctuary at a certain time in the "unrolling of the scroll." Coming to the church, He finds her not spotless and ready to meet Him, but deep in sin, yet self complacently feeding upon the errors, faults, and mistakes of others.

Without attempting to explain the event described in E.W. 36, we shall inquire only into the matter of whether it is possible in view of the E.W. statement for Jesus to "leave" the most holy place to execute the work of Ezek. 9 before the general close of human probation.

To begin with there is nothing in the word "leave" that connotes finality and permanence of condition or action. To leave once does not preclude the possibility of having left on previous occasions and then returned. Hence, on the logic of language alone, the mere fact that Sr. White "saw that Jesus would not leave the most holy until every case was decided," does not argue that He could therefore never have left the most holy place before, and that He cannot leave it to execute Eze. 9 on the church.

However, we need not base our position entirely on logic. The Scriptures abundantly evidence the fact that Jesus is to dwell in the midst of His People at a time before every case is decided.

We quote Zech. 2:10, 11 -- "Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the Lord. And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be My people."

Verse 11 proves that in "that day" when He comes and dwells in the midst of Zion, "many nations shall be joined to the Lord," and every S.D.A. ought to know that there will be no nations joined to the Lord after probation is closed.

Moreover, in Isa. 66:15, which reads, "Behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with His chariots like a whirlwind, to render His anger with fury, and His rebuke with flames of fire," (Verse 16) "For by fire and by His sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many," we see that when He comes with fire, it is to "plead" with all flesh, which proves that it is during probationary time, for after the close of probation God will plead with no flesh.

Furthermore, Isa. 66:20 proves that it is in this time during which the Lord pleads with all flesh that "many nations" -- "all your brethren" -- are joined to the Lord. Hence, "in that day," the day of slaughter (Eze. 9; Isa. 63; Isa. 66), He "will come, and...dwell in the midst of "Zion."

Therefore, it is clear that Jesus is to come and dwell in the midst of His people here on earth before the close of probation, as He dwelt with His people in the exodus movement, as is described in Isa. 4.

Some have an altogether too narrow view of the Godhead. They think that in order for Jesus to carry on the investigative judgment in the heavenly sanctuary, He must confine Himself there every moment, and that even in case of necessity He cannot leave the place of the most holy apartment to do anything else until His mediatorial work is finished.

Christ's departure from the holy place, at the consummation of the investigative judgment, is to result in His visible second advent, whereas the event of Eze. 9 and Zech. 2:9-11 is an invisible coming.

So let us thoroughly look at Revelation from the "whole view" and understand that Scripture points out events that we as SDA have not generally known.

Good food for thought GLL. Isn't it clear that Christ dwells with us corporately in a special sense when the latter rain is poured out? The glory of Christ that appeared in the fiery pillar and the cloud are a symbol of His presence with the armies of Spiritual Israel under the power of the latter rain on their final march to the promised land.

The seven trumpets are warnings and calls to repent and come out of Babylon which is about to fall: Probation is still open during the first five trumpets. Let me suggest a few reasons:

1) The sealing of the 144,000 is not complete and the four winds are still held in check until the sixth trumpet because the winds of strife are not fully let loose until the voice from the altar tells the four angels holding the winds to release them. They are being released gradually in the first five trumpets, warning men and women that a full release is coming and that the sealing of the twelve spiritual tribes is about to end:

2) Repentance and receiving the seal of God is possible until the sixth trumpet. At the sixth trumpet the sealing is complete and repentance is at an end.

3) The feast of trumpets occurs 10 days before the Day of Atonement. It prepares Israel for the Day of Reckoning. Anciently this feast marked the start of a special time of self-examination of God's people, preparatory to the Day of Atonement.

The reason that the voice issues from the altar is that the altar is the site of atonement. When the blood of the atonement of Christ is completed there, the voice issues from that altar that the atonement is done, the sealing is complete, the blood is fully applied, the altar is cleansed! So the altar speaks in a figure that it's work - the work of Christ - on behalf of Spiritual Isreal's twelve tribes is over! So Israel is sheltered and the blood of the covenant protects and sustains them but those in Babylon who have not responded to the call of mercy are left defenseless in their sins.

But Ellen White tells us that in the same way that Christ cleansed the temple twice during His earthly ministry - once at the start and once at it's close - the second and third angel's messages will be repeated and have a similar effect. Probation will close for many of us Adventists at the repeating of the second angel's message when we will come face to face with a test of whether we will serve God and His Commandments or bow to human laws and traditions. So there is a progressive sealing and closing of probation during the trumpets and the three angel's messages. EGW was shown that those who rejected the second angel's message in 1844 could see no light in the third and said it will be the same in the future. So there is some truth to the view of some of you here that the trumpets are repeated after the close of probation. What I'm suggesting is that probation will close for many of us at the beginning of the first trumpet but that this will be a time of mercy for those who haven't had the opportunity to hear the message of mercy - pardon full and free, Christ our Righteousness.

Jesus signifies the end of the world in each of the sixth of the seven series (church,seal,trumpet,plague).
The Sixth Plague portrays the ‘great day of God Almighty’ finally arrived. At the river of Euphrates, the three unclean spirits will be plagued to the victory of God.
The Sixth Trumpet indicates the probation of God ends at the boundary of Euphrates River. Notice Genesis 15:18 and Genesis 2:14.
The sixth Seal portrays Jesus’ Second Coming. Some ’said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us…’
The Sixth Church indicates that Jesus opened and no man can shut.

The angels stood before the throne of God and watched the judgment (Dan 7:10). Now the scene changes and awaits order from God for the execution of the judgment in the Seven Plagues.


Thus, each seventh of the series only have announcement to make.
1) The ominous silence before the announcement of the final judgment of God.
2) The seventh church is neither hot of cold
3) The seventh trumpet declares the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our LORD.
4). The seventh plague announces ‘It is done’.

In the view of the sixth ones, which ‘signified’ as the end of the world, we are told that the seven trumpets are also ‘signified’ as the warning of the seven plagues. Remember that the seven trumpets emerged while the mercy of God exists.
1. The bowl of ashes has not been casted upon the earth (Rev 8:3-5).
2. The four angels have not released (Rev 7:1); not until the command comes out from the throne to release (Rev 9:13-15).
3. The seventh seal has not yet opened (Rev 8:1).

The end of the probation of God is very imminent. We must tell the church to wake up; otherwise the LORD will come as a thief (Rev 3:3, 16:15).

Mark-- "Isn't it clear that Christ dwells with us corporately in a special sense when the latter rain is poured out? The glory of Christ that appeared in the fiery pillar and the cloud are a symbol of His presence with the armies of Spiritual Israel under the power of the latter rain on their final march to the promised land."

Yes, in a sense this is true, But it does not negate the words His spoke and prophesied in Zech, and Isaiah.

Mark- "The seven trumpets are warnings and calls to repent and come out of Babylon which is about to fall: Probation is still open during the first five trumpets."

I believe I posted a study on the 7 Trumpets already.But let us revisit it here briefly-

Mark--"The seven trumpets are warnings and calls to repent and come out of Babylon which is about to fall: Probation is still open during the first five trumpets."

Here is a brief synopsis--

Let it not, however, be understood that the respective destructions revealed in the subject of the seven trumpets must be one and the same in time and event with the corresponding destructions of the seven last plagues, for such a conclusion is made impossible by the fact that the voice which spoke to the angel at the sounding of the sixth trumpet, saying, "Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates," came "from the four horns of the golden altar." Rev. 9:13, 14.

The altar's being in the holy apartment of the sanctuary at the sounding of the sixth trumpet, proves that the trumpet sounded before the Most Holy apartment was opened for use. For had it been in use, the "voice" would necessarily have come from therein, where the throne is. Hence, the sounding of this trumpet had to take place before the door of the Most Holy was opened and the throne occupied.

Just as the seven plagues, therefore, reveal the judgments to be visited upon the wicked living after they reject the message in the closing period of this world's history, so the seven trumpets reveal, as will be seen, the sequent destructions of the successive
generations of the wicked, each of whose probation closed consequent to their rejecting God's respective message to them. Thus the trumpets culminate with those who reject His message to them today.

This basic truth that each period of destruction follows only after a corresponding period of sealing, is corroborated by the fact that the symbolical locusts, which came up at the sounding of the fifth trumpet, hurt only those men which had "not the seal of God in their foreheads." All this shows not only that each trumpet follows its sealing period, but also that the nature of the trumpets reveals the punishment of those who failed to receive the seal in their particular periods.

Rev. 8:1, 6. "And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.... And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound."

The statements, "which must shortly come to pass" (Rev. 1:1), and "I will shew thee things which must be hereafter" (Rev. 4:1), go to say that The Revelation is given with the one particular object in view of showing "the things" lying, not behind, but ahead of, John's time with reference being make only incidentally to the past, in order to lay the necessary foundation upon which to build the future. (Final Warning, Tract 5, p.31-32)

As for Rev.9:13-14 ---

THE SIXTH TRUMPET.
Revelation 9:13 to 11:14.

Rev. 9:13,14. "And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates."

It will be observed that though each of the trumpets begin at a definite time, yet one overlaps the other, and all seven extend to the second coming of Christ. This is seen in the coexistence of the truths of all seven. The flood (first trumpet), the Exodus movement (second trumpet), the giving of the Old Testament Scriptures (third trumpet), the church's going into captivity (fourth trumpet), Christ's first advent and subsequent events (fifth trumpet), are all sounding louder today than ever before.

And as these truths constitute the gospel for today, it is evident that though the trumpets run in consecutive order, each beginning at a different time, they all continue in force to the end of the world, terminating therewith. Thus the rejection of one being tantamount to the rejection of all seven, the lesson is sharply drawn that to reject one truth is to reject the whole truth.

With the fourteenth verse of Revelation 9 begins the description of the sixth trumpet, and it ends with the fourteenth verse of Revelation 11, which announces: "The second woe [sixth trumpet] is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly." Accordingly, each prophetic event recorded between Revelation 9:14 and 11:14 must find its fulfillment in the period of the sixth trumpet -- between the first and the second woes.

In the light of this fact, we see that the time in which the "two witnesses" of Revelation 11:3 were to "prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth," must occur during the sounding of the sixth trumpet. And being in the future tense, the phrase, "shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days" (Rev. 11:3), shows that at the time the trumpet began sounding, this period of 1260 days was yet future.

The voice which came from the golden altar said "to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates." In order to identify "the four angels," we must first understand the literal meaning of the river Euphrates.

The capital city of ancient Babylon was built on either side of the Euphrates, thus dividing the city in two parts. The river was also the source of water supplying a fortifying mote about the city. So because the ancient Babylonians were the first to build on the banks of the Euphrates, and because the original application must attach to the original settlers there, the "great river Euphrates" emerges as a type of "the waters...where the whore sitteth" (Rev. 17:15) -- modern Babylon. And this important truth is amplified by the fact that the ancient city, Babylon, does not now exist, whereas prophecy calls for a Babylon today.

Now in order for there to be a modern Babylon, there must necessarily be a repetition today of the conditions and events essentially characterizing ancient Babylon in its connection with God's people. Consequently, their captivity in Babylon, the type (Jer. 29:10), must find its parallel in Babylon, the antitype.

Very obviously, therefore, the angel's being "bound in the great river Euphrates" must be figurative of the Christian church during the period of her captivity in antitypical Babylon -- "that great city" rising after John' s time .

Furthermore, the statement made by the voice from the golden altar, "loose the four angels which are bound," conclusively shows that when the "voice" spoke, the church (the angels) was already in captivity and was to be loosed.

Rev. 9:15, first clause. "And the four angels were loosed."

The execution of the command, "Loose the four angels," meaning to set the church free from her captivity in Babylon, resulted in her being liberated from her long bondage to the tyranny of church-state rule, and in the Bible's being restored to God's people, so that they might study and worship in fear and in favor of no man, and in accountability only to their conscience and to their God.

In the consequent dissolution of the church-state union, the "four angels" were loosed. (Ibid, p.78-81)

If you'd like me to continue on Rev. 9:15, etc. let me know.

"The altar's being in the holy apartment of the sanctuary at the sounding of the sixth trumpet, proves that the trumpet sounded before the Most Holy apartment was opened for use. For had it been in use, the "voice" would necessarily have come from therein, where the throne is. Hence, the sounding of this trumpet had to take place before the door of the Most Holy was opened and the throne occupied."-poster: Godsloveandlaw

We must consider these Scripture verses:

Heb. 9:8 "The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all …."
Heb 9:2-5 "For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.
And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;
Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;
And over it the sherubims of glory shadowing the mercy seat; of which we cannot now speak particularly."

Does the 7 trumpets relate to the feast of trumpets? If so, then one would expect the other visions of Revelation to relate to the feasts. (Seals, plagues, etc.)

Are all occurrences of trumpets associated with warnings? If not, then could this be a place where it does not either?

We say that we are in the Anti-Typical Day of Atonement since 1844. The Seven Trumpets certainly have allusion of the feast of trumpets. The sound of the seven trumpets is to awake the spiritual Israel so that they would search and afflict their souls before probation ends.

1 Cor 14:8 "For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?"