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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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The correlation between the Seven Trumpets and the Seven Plagues apparently indicate cause and effect.
The 7 TRUMPET-----------------The 7 PLAGUE I would agree that trumpets and plagues reveal the cause and effect. But that one explains the other. Not meaning long periods of time have elapsed. Karen, are you familiar with the tag? Your post seems ... hard to read and follow to me and maybe that's why I'm not understanding. Maybe this tag will help you accomplish your formatting you're attempting.
The 7 TRUMPET--------------------The 7 PLAGUE
Upon the earth ------------------Upon the earth
Upon the sea---------------------Upon the sea
Upon the fresh water Upon the fresh water
Upon the heavenly bodies Upon the sun
The star that fell from heaven Upon the seat of the beast
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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11/10/14 08:09 PM
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The SDA Church, through the Spirit of Prophecy (Ellen White), believes the Trumpets have a historical application. Amen, The confusion of disregarding the historicist interpretation are great! Of course it opens the door to a lot of imagination and makes prophecy a very uncertain thing, anyone can then apply them to anything that they want to promote.
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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11/10/14 08:12 PM
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Yes, the work of Christ in the heavenly sanctuary is a very important part of Revelation.
The first half of the book deals with Christ's work in the HOLY Place and leads into the work in the Most Holy Place.
The second half of the book deals with Christ's work in the Most Holy Place and leads into the restoration of all things.
The heavenly work and what is happening upon earth is co-mingled as the great controversy between Christ and satan unfolds.
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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11/10/14 08:22 PM
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The “Jewish feasts” are a key in understanding Revelation.
Importance of the PASSOVER in Revelation:
Passover and the days connected with it represented Christ’s work in the “outer court” or His work upon earth. They are absolutely crucial to the events that follow in the heavenly sanctuary.
When John received the Revelation of Jesus Christ, there on Patmos, these events were already fulfilled. Christ’s death and resurrection were completed. Now Christ’s ministry in the heavenly sanctuary was revealed. Let’s just see how important the fulfilled Passover events are in Revelation.
In the first chapter it identifies Jesus as the fulfilment of the “spring festivals”. He is the one who died, rose and washed us from our sins in his own blood. (1:5) He is the one who lives and was dead, and lives forever more and has the keys to release people from sin and death. (1:17,18)
He is declared worthy to officiate in the sanctuary and receive honor and power, because He is the Lamb slain and He redeemed us to God by His blood. (5:6,9,12)
It is because of Christ’s death that people can come out of tribulation with white robes washed in the blood of the Lamb. (7:14)
The Book of Life, in which the names of the redeemed from earth are written, is possible only because the Lamb was slain and rose again. (13:8) Thus it is called "The Lamb's book of life!"
THE FEAST OF PENTICOST
Christ’s first work is to light the lampstands! Notice again the seven lampstands in Revelation 4, this time they are referred to as seven spirits. "Seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven spirits of God." Remember the consternation - is anyone worthy? Before His ascension Jesus told the disciples to wait for the Promise of the Holy Spirit which would come upon them. And they would be witnesses "to the end of the earth". (Acts 1:4-8)
When Christ was accepted as the "ONE" worthy to begin the work in the sanctuary, He sent out His Holy Spirit to His messengers on earth.
Compare this with Peter's sermon on the day of Pentecost:
Acts 2.32-33 "This Jesus has God raised up, and has now exalted by His right hand, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he has shed forth this, which ye now see and hear."
Revelation 4 and 5 show Christ being exalted in heaven, His sacrifice declared worthy and acceptable, the work of the sanctuary begun, and THE HOLY SPIRIT given to the church upon earth. The day of Pentecost marked the opening of Christ's work in the heavenly sanctuary. The first phase of His Priestly ministry had begun in the Holy Place.
Read also
Acts of Apostals page 38.003
But this thread is about trumpets so let's skip ahead to the trumpets
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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11/10/14 08:26 PM
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THE FEAST OF TRUMPETS
This feast was observed on the first day of the seventh month.
Now the first day of every month was begun with the blowing of trumpets and special ceremonies. So why make special mention of the blowing of trumpets on the first day of the seventh month?
It was important because this was the seventh month, and the trumpets were announcing that this was the month for the Day of Atonement and all were to consecrate themselves to the Lord in preparation for this solemn day.
It is interesting that seven months pass. Each beginning with a trumpet blast. On the seventh month, we have the seventh trumpet blast, announcing the day of atonement.
Are any bells ringing in our minds? Is anything in the Bible corresponding with this in our minds?
Revelation.
There we have seven trumpets blown consecutively, not all together . And when the seventh trumpet blows, in Revelation chapter 11, we see the inner door into the Most Holy of Heaven opened and we see the ark, while the 24 elders declare that the time of judgment has come.
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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11/10/14 09:21 PM
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The “Jewish feasts” are a key in understanding Revelation.
Importance of the PASSOVER in Revelation:
Passover and the days connected with it represented Christ’s work in the “outer court” or His work upon earth. They are absolutely crucial to the events that follow in the heavenly sanctuary.
When John received the Revelation of Jesus Christ, there on Patmos, these events were already fulfilled. Christ’s death and resurrection were completed. Now Christ’s ministry in the heavenly sanctuary was revealed. Let’s just see how important the fulfilled Passover events are in Revelation.
In the first chapter it identifies Jesus as the fulfilment of the “spring festivals”. He is the one who died, rose and washed us from our sins in his own blood. (1:5) He is the one who lives and was dead, and lives forever more and has the keys to release people from sin and death. (1:17,18)
He is declared worthy to officiate in the sanctuary and receive honor and power, because He is the Lamb slain and He redeemed us to God by His blood. (5:6,9,12)
It is because of Christ’s death that people can come out of tribulation with white robes washed in the blood of the Lamb. (7:14)
The Book of Life, in which the names of the redeemed from earth are written, is possible only because the Lamb was slain and rose again. (13:8) Thus it is called "The Lamb's book of life!"
THE FEAST OF PENTICOST
Christ’s first work is to light the lampstands! Notice again the seven lampstands in Revelation 4, this time they are referred to as seven spirits. "Seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven spirits of God." Remember the consternation - is anyone worthy? Before His ascension Jesus told the disciples to wait for the Promise of the Holy Spirit which would come upon them. And they would be witnesses "to the end of the earth". (Acts 1:4-8)
When Christ was accepted as the "ONE" worthy to begin the work in the sanctuary, He sent out His Holy Spirit to His messengers on earth.
Compare this with Peter's sermon on the day of Pentecost:
Acts 2.32-33 "This Jesus has God raised up, and has now exalted by His right hand, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he has shed forth this, which ye now see and hear."
Revelation 4 and 5 show Christ being exalted in heaven, His sacrifice declared worthy and acceptable, the work of the sanctuary begun, and THE HOLY SPIRIT given to the church upon earth. The day of Pentecost marked the opening of Christ's work in the heavenly sanctuary. The first phase of His Priestly ministry had begun in the Holy Place.
Read also
Acts of Apostals page 38.003
But this thread is about trumpets so let's skip ahead to the trumpets
Thanks, Dedication! Your post may answer Kland's questions about the application of the Feasts to the seven churches, and seals.
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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11/11/14 10:40 AM
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THE FEAST OF TRUMPETS
This feast was observed on the first day of the seventh month.
Now the first day of every month was begun with the blowing of trumpets and special ceremonies. So why make special mention of the blowing of trumpets on the first day of the seventh month?
It was important because this was the seventh month, and the trumpets were announcing that this was the month for the Day of Atonement and all were to consecrate themselves to the Lord in preparation for this solemn day.
It is interesting that seven months pass. Each beginning with a trumpet blast. On the seventh month, we have the seventh trumpet blast, announcing the day of atonement.
Are any bells ringing in our minds? Is anything in the Bible corresponding with this in our minds?
Revelation.
There we have seven trumpets blown consecutively, not all together . And when the seventh trumpet blows, in Revelation chapter 11, we see the inner door into the Most Holy of Heaven opened and we see the ark, while the 24 elders declare that the time of judgment has come.
Do you recall “a great voice, as of a trumpet” in Rev. Chap. 1? Like the sound of trumpets directed the movement of the Israelites, the Word of God still guides us in our journey to heavenly Canaan. The trumpet sound as of the Holy Spirit talking that reveals Jesus Christ in Chap. 4-5, which is the introduction to the Seven Seals. The final blast of the Seven Trumpets, which is the allusion of the feast trumpet prior to the Day of Atonement and likened to the blast of trumpets in the collapse of Jericho, will collapse the Babylon the great city prior to entering the heavenly Canaan. Then the kingdoms of this world will have become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ! Therefore, I would say that each began with a trumpet blast in the Christian era has been portrayed as the ancient Israel has observed. Finally the Seven Trumpets approach simultaneously as the feast of trumpet days prior to the Day of Atonement to announce the end of probation in the Anti-typical Day of Atonement, which culminate the Seven Plagues. Thus, it is appropriate to interpret the Seven Trumpets as of the warnings for the Seven Plagues. The Seventh Trumpet is announcing the kingdom of this world became the kingdom of Christ, which is fortelling the 'It is done' in the Seventh Plague. The Seven Trumpets could not be literal events in the earth because the scene appeared after the Seventh Seal has opened. When all things already completed in the seventh seal what is that for if we were to interpret as the events? It is so appropriate to interpret the Seven Trumpets as the warnings for the coming Plagues as we realize in the foreknowledge to tell the world. We are also told that while the seven trumpets are sounding, the intercession of Jesus in the heavenly sanctuary still exists. The bowl of the ashes not casted down yet, you know.
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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11/11/14 12:46 PM
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The SDA Church, through the Spirit of Prophecy (Ellen White), believes the Trumpets have a historical application. Amen, The confusion of disregarding the historicist interpretation are great! Of course it opens the door to a lot of imagination and makes prophecy a very uncertain thing, anyone can then apply them to anything that they want to promote. I believe you are in confusion over seeing a difference between historical and historicist. Historical is past history. Historicist is applying prophecy to history, whether past, present, or future. That is, in sequential order. As opposed to picking and lifting things here and there and applying "them to anything that they want to promote". Whether it being picking things out of the future and applying them to the past, or picking things out of the past and applying them to the future. But Ellen White applies the trumpets to the future.
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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11/11/14 01:03 PM
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Yes, the work of Christ in the heavenly sanctuary is a very important part of Revelation.
The first half of the book deals with Christ's work in the HOLY Place and leads into the work in the Most Holy Place.
The second half of the book deals with Christ's work in the Most Holy Place and leads into the restoration of all things.
The heavenly work and what is happening upon earth is co-mingled as the great controversy between Christ and satan unfolds. Interesting thought. But is it really true? In what way is the sealing of the 144K work of the Holy Place? Or in what way is the people crying for the rocks to fall on them to hide them from the wrath of the baby sheep the work of the Holy Place? Maybe you can describe the casting down of the "Golden" censer relating to the Holy Place work. And the 2 witnesses being beheld in the sky, which Ellen white describes seeing the 10 commandments scribed as with a pen of fire, along with the great earthquake being work in the Holy Place. Then, how the woman being with child is work of the Most Holy Place and making war with the remnant of her seed? Then there's the beast rising out of the sea, and the one out of the earth, and the 5th head receiving the deadly wound, etc. I think not. I do not see how you can take overlapping parts and separate them into Holy Place / Most Holy Place. That's not how Revelation is structured.
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