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Re: If One kills those who disagree with Him, does that show love?
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11/03/14 03:28 PM
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Kland, you cannot support your absurd accusations. Otherwise you would have quoted me. You, on the other hand, truly believe Jesus permits it. Somehow you think it makes Jesus look good. But I can assure you it does not. Unbelievers despise the idea. I don't know what you are referring to as absurd. If you are referring to: "You believe Jesus causes evil men and evil angels to murder innocent women and children." then if we were to take a vote here asking if others know you have said that Jesus causes disease, death, and destruction, what do you think the results would be? If we were to do a search where you have said Jesus causes disease, death, and destruction, how many hits do you think it would come up with? How does saying Jesus causes disease, death, and destruction make Him look good? Why do you think giving people freedom of will does not? Kland, you did not support your absurd accusation.
Neither have you addressed my observations concerning your belief Jesus permits evil men and evil angels to murder innocent women and children. Very well. I searched for "disease, death, and destruction" with your name on it and there were 12 hits in the last 2 years. For the most recent appalling absurdity in detail, see #169494.
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Re: If One kills those who disagree with Him, does that show love?
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11/03/14 04:58 PM
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APL, I believe Jesus permits horrible things to happen for reasons that make sense to Him. It's not for a greater good. Instead it's the lesser of evils. There are a million ways things can play out. Jesus does not leave it to fate. Nor does He leave it to sin, self, or Satan. Jesus earned the right on the cross to manage the outcome of the choices people make. We might not find out why He caused, commanded, or permitted things to play out the way they do until we are in Heaven when He explains it. "Now I know in part, but then shall I know".
But the fact remains - You believe Jesus permits evil to befall innocent women and children because He refuses to the violate the will of evildoers.
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Re: If One kills those who disagree with Him, does that show love?
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11/03/14 05:16 PM
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... violate the "free will"...
What do you tell a woman who is raped? It was God's perfect plan that you were raped? What do you tell them?
You tell them YES - God wanted you raped, since your belief as outlined above, God controls ALL outcomes.
Isaiah 5:20 Woe to them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Last edited by APL; 11/03/14 05:45 PM.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: If One kills those who disagree with Him, does that show love?
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11/03/14 05:20 PM
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M: You believe Jesus chooses to permit evil men and evil angels to murder innocent women and children.
K: You believe Jesus causes evil men and evil angels to murder innocent women and children. My statement is true. Your statement is false.
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Re: If One kills those who disagree with Him, does that show love?
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11/04/14 03:04 PM
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M: You believe Jesus chooses to permit evil men and evil angels to murder innocent women and children.
K: You believe Jesus causes evil men and evil angels to murder innocent women and children. My statement is true. Your statement is false. Dedication, there are times when Jesus causes disease, death, and destruction. We might not find out why He caused, commanded, or permitted things to play out
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Re: If One kills those who disagree with Him, does that show love?
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11/06/14 01:12 AM
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Kland, do you not see the difference between what I wrote and what you are accusing me of?
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Re: If One kills those who disagree with Him, does that show love?
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11/06/14 09:14 PM
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Um, no. Why you are objecting to what you freely state, I do not know.
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Re: If One kills those who disagree with Him, does that show love?
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11/06/14 11:49 PM
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Here's what you are accusing me of - "You believe Jesus causes evil men and evil angels to murder innocent women and children." I have never said such a thing. And you have not quoted anything I said saying otherwise.
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Re: If One kills those who disagree with Him, does that show love?
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11/07/14 05:56 AM
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MM - you have said it is God will to to allow murder and rape.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: If One kills those who disagree with Him, does that show love?
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11/07/14 02:37 PM
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Yes, Jesus always does the best thing in light of the great controversy. His options are miserable. But He is perfect and always works to ensure the one and only best option plays out. He is free to manage the outcome of human choices. He can stop or start anything without violating freewill. Death, disease, destruction, theft, rape, murder, abductions, war, terrorism, etc are permitted to play out in ways that make sense to Jesus. His hands are not tied. Evil men and evil angels are not free to act or attack as they see fit. They can do no more than Jesus is willing to allow. And Jesus works actively to ensure they do not exceed the limits He Himself establishes and enforces. Jesus is in control - not human choices, not evil men, not evil angels.
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