Many SDA today have been taught, and understand, however vaguely, the view that there is to be only one closing probation for mankind. That is when the 7 plaques start falling upon mankind. But let us see what Scripture and SOP truly say concerning probation.

" If there is only one close of probation, no purification of the church, and the slaughter of Ezekiel meets its fulfillment only after the close of the final probation, then how do they explain the following statements which are applicable at the time when the warning of Ezekiel Nine is proclaimed to the church?"

Says the Spirit of Prophecy:

"Here we see that the church -- the Lord's sanctuary -- was the first to feel the stroke of the wrath of God. The ancient men, those to whom God has given great light, and who had stood as guardians of the spiritual interests of the people, had betrayed their trust. They had taken the position that we need not look for miracles and the marked manifestation of God's power as in former days.

Times have changed. These words strengthen their unbelief, and they say, The Lord will not do good, neither will He do evil. He is too merciful to visit His people in judgment. Thus peace and safety is the cry from men who will never again lift up their voice like a trumpet to show God's people their transgressions and the house of Jacob their sins.

These dumb dogs, that would not bark, are the ones who feel the just vengeance of an offended God. Men, maidens, and little children, all perish together." (Testimonies for the Church," Vol. 5, p. 211.)

"Note that the slaughter took place in the church, and that because the ministry had betrayed their trust. They rejected the warning and contended against the fulfillment of Ezekiel Nine as a miracle. They said, "The Lord will not manifest His power as in former days" and Inspiration places the blame on them for the sins among God's people.

If the slaughter comes after the close of probation, how could God finish His work with wicked ministers who have betrayed their trust? If the slaughter falls after the close of probation, and if they believed in its fulfillment, how could they say, "The Lord will not manifest His power as in former days....He is too merciful to visit His people in judgment"?

For the ministry unanimously agrees that God will manifest His power after the close of probation. Therefore, the prophetic Word of God in the above reveals the fact that the ministers will reject the fearful warning as foretold by the prophet Ezekiel.

They have made the term "general destruction" of "The Testimonies for the Church," Vol. 3, p. 267 to mean the destruction of the wicked in the church and in the world all at the same time. But let us allow Sr. White to interpret her own meaning of the word "general destruction."

It will be noticed in "The Great Controversy," p. 26, while speaking of the destruction of ancient Jerusalem, says those who did not desert the city were "involved in the general destruction of the wicked." Therefore, if the words "general destruction of the wicked" at the time Jerusalem was destroyed did not mean all the wicked; both in the church and in the world, why should the same words mean now the destruction of the wicked in the church and in the world?

If the present corrupt ministry is to remain in the church until after the close of probation, then what about the following quotation which comes from the pen of inspiration and was published in "The Review and Herald," of Nov. 19, 1908?

"Only those who have withstood and overcome temptation in the strength of the Mighty One will be permitted to act a part in proclaiming this message when it shall have swelled into the Loud Cry."

The above quotation clearly states that no impure ministers will have a part in the work of the Loud Cry of the Third Angel's Message! If the church is to remain in her present condition till the close of probation, how could the above quotation be correct which is just as authoritative as "Early Writings," p. 15, and how could it be said of the church:

"Clad in the armor of Christ's righteousness, the church is to enter upon her final conflict. 'Fair as the moon, clear as the sun, and terrible as an army with banners,' she is to go forth into all the world, conquering and to conquer" ("Prophets and Kings," 725), if the church is to be defiled and demoralized until her work is finished and probation closed?

If the purification of the church is to take place after the close of probation and if the present church leadership is to complete the
work, then how can our brethren explain the following quotation which is found in "The Testimonies for the Church," Vol. 5, p. 80, from which we quote?

"But the days of purification of the church are hastening on apace. God will have a people pure and true....Those who have trusted to intellect, genius, or talent, will not then stand at the head of rank and file....They are self-sufficient, independent of God, and He can not use them...

The Lord has faithful servants, who in the shaking, testing time will be disclosed to view....But, it may be under a rough and uninviting exterior the pure brightness of a genuine Christian character will be revealed."

If the purification takes place after the gospel work is finished, then why should He disclose another set of servants, and why say, After the purification He cannot use those who are self-sufficient and independent of God?

...If there is no slaughter before the close of probation, then how do our brethren explain Isaiah 66:16, 19, 20 where it says those who escape from the slain of the Lord were sent "unto the nations" to declare God's "glory among the Gentiles" and that those who escape from the slaughter "shall bring all your brethren...unto the Lord out of all nations "?

If those who escape from the slaughter were sent to all nations and brought all the brethren are not the 144,000 in the time when the message shall go to all the world then who are they? If they escape from a slaughter after the close of probation, why should they declare God's "glory among the Gentiles" if He cannot save them at that time? Moreover, if the "general destruction" takes all the Gentiles (the wicked) there would be none left to whom the escaped ones could declare God's glory." (Sym. Code, Vol. 1. no.18, p.9-10)

GLL posted another Houteff article that tries to prove the basic Shepherd Rod teaching that
Adventists must all die before a message of truth goes to the world and then a temporal kingdom of peace and righteousness is set up in Palestine.

Once again positions are stated about what Adventists believe and EGW teaches that are not correct.




That is assuming Houteff understands the warning of Ezekiel Nine, when in fact it can be shown he does not, for GLL has given us evidence that Houteff's teachings denied that the church will be tested on the Sunday issue.

Also-- even though it has been shown repeatedly that there will be a purification of the church, this is once again dismissed to enable a false premise to be presented.
Yes, there will be a purification of the church, but it will not be a "sudden death" of everyone in the church, so "Shepherd Rod" followers can take over.

The cleansing comes by TESTING. When persecution comes the half-hearted, uncommitted, will renounce the truth. Even those who have the intellectual knowledge but lack faith will give up their stand for the Lord. Thus it will be shown that they were never anchored in the Savior and in truth. This is the great shaking as a very large number will join the opposing party and turn on their former companions in the faith.


Houteff quotes from the Spirit of Prophecy:

"Here we see that the church -- the Lord's sanctuary -- was the first to feel the stroke of the wrath of God. The ancient men, those to whom God has given great light, and who had stood as guardians of the spiritual interests of the people, had betrayed their trust. They had taken the position that we need not look for miracles and the marked manifestation of God's power as in former days.

Times have changed. These words strengthen their unbelief, and they say, The Lord will not do good, neither will He do evil. He is too merciful to visit His people in judgment. Thus peace and safety is the cry from men who will never again lift up their voice like a trumpet to show God's people their transgressions and the house of Jacob their sins.

These dumb dogs, that would not bark, are the ones who feel the just vengeance of an offended God. Men, maidens, and little children, all perish together." (Testimonies for the Church," Vol. 5, p. 211.)


But contrary to Houteff's explanation and premise notice:
It's true the passage is speaking from a point in the future which looks back--
These men HAD been given great light,
they HAD been guardians of God's people,
but they didn't believe God would work miracles or manifest His power as in former days.

What miracles? What power?
No, the miracle was not that God would kill them, but like the Israelites on the boarders of Canaan they don't believe that God would sustain them and give them victory in the face of the "giants" against them. They didn't believe that God would SAVE THEM if they went against the ecumenical flow. When governments made things difficult they didn't step out in faith doing God's will, believing that God's power would sustain and save them to the end. Instead they complied with the popular demands and pressures of earthly powers and gave up the truth and encouraged thousands of others to give up following God's commandments and accept the man made command. After all it seemed like the way to keep peace and live "safely" in this world.

Their faith was DEAD -- instead of believing in God's power they caved in to the demands of the antichrist and his confederacy.

Compare with this quote by EGW
"The angel said, "These are they who once kept the Sabbath, and have given it up." I heard them cry with a loud voice, "We have believed in Thy coming, and taught it with energy." And while they were speaking, their eyes would fall upon their garments and see the writing, and then they would wail aloud. I saw that they had drunk of the deep waters, and fouled the residue with their feet,--trodden the Sabbath underfoot,--and that was why they were weighed in the balance and found wanting. {CET 101.1}




Houteff asks: "If the slaughter comes after the close of probation, how could God finish His work with wicked ministers who have betrayed their trust?

The question is based on his false premise --
God doesn't finish his work with those who betrayed their trust, for they have joined the opposition.

God finishes His work with those who remain faithful. True, we have been told that few "great men" will be leading the faithful then, they will have forsaken the cause.
Yet, the very work of the opposition brings the whole question before the world as those who remain faithful witness even in the face of persecution and loss.

And yes, God will manifest His power with miracles and with the outpouring of his Spirit as His faithful witness for Him. Every person will hear the truth before probation closes.

Houteff seems to think "miracles" and God "manifesting His power", is only in executing judgment????

No, God will manifest His power BEFORE the execution of judgment. But those who accept the ecumenical solution to the world's problems will be shaken out and not receive God's power or the outpouring of the Holy spirit.

Before the execution of judgment the test will come to every person, to the church first, and to world, in which every person will reveal their allegiance to God or to the antichrist.
Before the execution of judgment the truth will be proclaimed.


Houteff asks:
If the slaughter falls after the close of probation, and if they believed in its fulfillment, how could they say, "The Lord will not manifest His power as in former days....He is too merciful to visit His people in judgment"?

That question doesn't even make sense.
Houteff seems to be saying a person has to believe his timing, or they don't believe in judgment at all. Yes, there will be an execution of judgment.

Those who betrayed their trust
didn't believe God would perform miracles to sustain them through the crises, and thus they figured God won't judge them if they went along with the demands of the antichrist coalition. After all the merging of religions was to bring peace and safety to the world, why be different?


But it's AFTER probation closes that they realize how wrong they were. It's AFTER probation closes that God reveals His law and pronounces His blessing on those who stood firm on God's side.
It's AFTER probation closes that the people who were deceived by those who betrayed their trust turn on those leaders. It's then that Ezekiel nine's reign of terror takes place as people turn on the religious leaders and on each other. (As in GC 656)


Houteff asks more question:
"They have made the term "general destruction" of "The Testimonies for the Church," Vol. 3, p. 267 to mean the destruction of the wicked in the church and in the world all at the same time..... but...if the words "general destruction of the wicked" at the time Jerusalem was destroyed did not mean all the wicked; both in the church and in the world, why should the same words mean now the destruction of the wicked in the church and in the world?"


Firstly, EGW says of the destruction of Jerusalem.
"In the destruction of the impenitent city He saw a symbol of the final destruction to come upon the world." DA 743

"John lived to be very aged. He witnessed the destruction of Jerusalem, and the ruin of the stately temple,--a symbol of the final ruin of the world." DA 817

" The Saviour's prophecy concerning the visitation of judgments upon Jerusalem is to have another fulfillment, of which that terrible desolation was but a faint shadow. In the fate of the chosen city we may behold the doom of a world that has rejected God's mercy and trampled upon his law. GC 37


Of course the whole world wasn't destroyed in the "symbol" that was a shadow of the world's destruction.
When a localized event is a symbol of a whole world event, its not correct to say because the symbol didn't encompass the whole world thus its fulfilment can't encompass the whole world either.

However, all warring factions within the city, whether they were the religious conservatives, or the radical rebels were destroyed.
Only those who had "come out" were spared.

Thus it will be in the end.
The last call is to "Come out" of the merged spiritualistic/religious/world centered union and obey and worship the one Who made heaven and earth, the sea and the fountains of water. (The call in Rev. 14 quotes from the Sabbath commandment)

The last crises will be over loyalty and obedience to God with a faith that believes in His sustaining, saving miracles and power even when the whole world and even many of the church are against us.

Human probation closes for the human race when Jesus throws down the golden censer and declares - It is done. He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

Obviously people who are living just before probation closes do not all reach one of the two states named above at the same time. Some will reach it years, months, or days before. Each person reaches it based on their individual walk with Jesus. There is nothing corporate about it. However, this is not to say there is nothing corporate about certain aspects of last day events.

In the last days, the shaking will in a large degree be based on what we are learning in our Sabbath School lesson today --

Dead faith is really no faith
We need living faith that bears (works) fruit.

The quote in 5T 211 reveals the dead faith of those who will be shaken out:
"They had taken the position that we need not look for miracles and the marked manifestation of God's power as in former days.
Times have changed. These words strengthen their unbelief, and they say, The Lord will not do good, neither will He do evil. He is too merciful to visit His people in judgment."

These are people who know and believe the Biblical stories of God's deliverance in the past but take the position that God won't manifest His power in their behalf, they think they have to make new policies to "fit in". They think God won't care if they "keep the peace" by adjusting their lives to the demands of the ecumenical unity of Sunday keeping. Their faith is dead. They believe neither in God's promises of overcoming nor that they are loosing salvation and eternal life by compromising.

There is a big difference in believing something and having faith. Faith lays hold of God's promises and doesn't waver but does the works of righteousness even when conditions make it extremely difficult.

Yes, by not having living faith, they become unjust, a condition they strengthen as they argue for the rightness of their wrong decision. While those who have living faith that has experienced God's transforming work and power in their lives, will move forward in faith, believing God will deliver and give them the power to stay true -- and God will!

Yes, I agree with MM
Probation closes when Christ throws down the censor -- but people establish which side they will be on at different times prior, depending how they respond to Christ's leading.

Note: to those who are following some of our posts, I would like to point out the reason I do not respond to "Dedication". We had a back and forth for a few months on many subjects and unfortunately I found her, again and again, refuse to address or acknowledge clear obvious points and questions. I cannot go into a meaningful dialogue with someone who continues to ignore straight clear questions. She has proven to me "wanting" and now she has the situation just as she wants it, where she can respond to my posts and give her often non-sense and twistings, without anyone calling her out. May God help us to not fall under the following condemnation:

"He will use every kind of evil deception to fool those on their way to destruction, because they refuse to love and accept the truth that would save them." (2 Thes.2:10)

"And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour." (Rev. 8:1)
"And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." (Matt 13:42)

"He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus."(Rev.22:20)

Mountian Man--
The Scripture points most definitely to two close of probations. One for God's remnant church and the other for the world. Address each one if possible.

Consider these--

Rev.12:15-17 "And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

Let us break this powerful future prophecy down as God would have us.

1) Satan (the serpent) casts waters out of his mouth like a flood(unconverted) after the woman(church). This obviously means Satan has infiltrated the church with his tares, so much so that it appears to flood the church.

2) But the earth helped the woman by opening it's mouth. What could this be but God (earth) divinely doing an act that swallows (eliminates)the tares (flood)?

What strong evidence do we have from Scripture that the earth opening it's mouth is God's divine act of removing unconverted in the midst?

"And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods." (Numbers 16:32)

3) Notice that this act of God happens BEFORE close of probation. For we notice clearly here that Satan goes to war with the woman(church) after the flood is swallowed not before. This is the "time of trouble such as never was". Who does Satan then go after-- those who have the SOP and Commandments--converted ones.

4) If this "swallowing" is not an act of God (ie. Ezekiel 9) then tell me what it is? Give Scripture back up as we have done.

Brother Houteff brought us the above understanding, if you or anyone else cannot see this, then offer something better.Don't just nit pick it. Agree if it makes sense (love of the Truth). Truth can afford to be fair as EGW says.

We have more proof to come, Happy Sabbath!

I did address the issues, I gave you long answers complete with bible texts and EGW quotes, but you would not acknowledge my answers. I do NOT agree with Houteff's conclusions or his "cut and paste together" of EGW passages woven together to make it seem like she is agreeing with his conclusions when the context of her writings do NOT agree, and because I disagree with Houteff, that's why you (not God) have found me "wanting".

When I found my responses were simply pushed aside and the posts became many pages long -- it was just too much. My time is limited and it was obvious you were entrenched in Houteff's theories and could see nothing else.




In my studies I have found Houteff's conclusions to be in serious error. It is error I refuse.
There is NO salvation in Palestine -- all who look there for a temporal kingdom will be badly deceived.



And yes, we did discuss the following Biblical passage as well.

It lifts a prophecy concerning the 1260 day/years and applies a different meaning to it.

Quote:

Rev. 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man [child].
12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Rev.12:15-17 "And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

Yes, let us look at this powerful prophecy.

1. The dragon (Satan) was cast out before this world was created, however he still had access to heaven as seen in the story of Job, he was fully cast out of heaven at the time of Christ's crucifixion.

Who is the woman?
The woman who fled into the wilderness for 1260 years is NOT the Adventist church. Here we see the struggle between God's people and the papal church during 1260 years spanning 538- 1798. God's people moved into the mountains so they could worship God according to their conviction of truth.


Satan casts out of his mouth water as a flood doing everything possible to destroy the Christian faith and those who would not render obedience to the paganized papal church.

What is represented by a "flood" in scriptures.
It represents a destructive power that kills.
There are quite a number of references in scripture of the enemy armies coming in like a flood and destroying. (Daniel 11:22 being one example)

So Satan's purpose is to destroy the true Christian faith.
When he casts out the flood, it is still speaking of the "woman" -- the woman that fled into the wilderness.
Yes, the flood can mean false, deceptive teachings, but more often it means armies.

In the years just prior to the reformation, the papacy repeatedly sent out whole crusades of armed men to kill the church in the wilderness. Terrible scenes of cruelty and slaughter were repeated over and over again. Whole cities wiped out, in which the Huguenots or Waldensians had found refuge. In 1478 the pope issued an order to have them completely exterminated.



It is from these scenes of terror that these people were helped. The 1260 years came to an end and a wonderful new thing -- religious freedom -- came into being.

A beast is seen coming up OUT OF THE EARTH (Rev. 13:11) and the EARTH helps the woman. Protestant America is born -- the land of religious freedom which for years resisted the flood of Roman armies. (But that is ending as the dragon takes control)

Yes, it is AFTER the woman is helped that we see the remnant -- a group of people (an offspring of the woman) who discover and embrace all TEN of the commandments and who have the testimony of Jesus (the spirit of prophecy)

The woman of Rev. 12, represented the Christian church that resisted the papal apostasy throughout the 1260 years,-- symbolizing God's church, while the "remnant of her seed" is the Adventist Church which accepted the full 10 commandments.


That is where EGW places the "remnant".

In an article written when the church chose the name "Seventh-day Adventist" she wrote:
" I was shown in regard to the remnantpeople of God taking a name.... The name, Seventh-day Adventist, carries the true features of our faith in front, and will convict the inquiring mind. Like an arrow from the Lord's quiver, it will wound the transgressors of God's law, and will lead to repentance toward God, and faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. 4SG 55


Revelation 12 is not speaking about probation closing.

Ok, you want to keep your word? If you will declare here publicly that you will address each and every question I ask you from now on (and I do like wise) I shall correspond again to your points and questions. If there is a question you do not know the answer to,or I do not know, we'll acknowledge and say--"I do not know."

This way we are not hoping around selecting only certain questions or points which we use in an attempt to further our agenda.

What I am saying is--let's be accountable. The Truth is more important than ego and pride.

Is that a handshake in the site of God and our members?

"For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Saviour." (Isaiah 63:8)

"I have been shown that the greatest reason why the people of God are now found in the state of spiritual blindness is that they will not receive correction. Many despised the reproofs and warnings given." (Testimonies, vol.3, p.255)

"It is the essence of all right faith, to do the right thing at the right time." (Testimonies, vol. 6, p.24)

Most likely, in practical terms, it won't matter. People will not realize probation has closed until after the plagues begin falling. The 144,000 will, for the first time, begin praying - "Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe." They will not pray this prayer until after probation closes.

Ok, a non-answer. But now let's look at more powerful evidence from Scripture of the soon ending of probation for God's remnant church.

In graphic demonstration that He will come to earth with all His angels to execute judgment upon the living, the Lord revealed Himself prophetically to Ezekiel as being brought enthroned to earth by four living creatures just before the slaughter of the hypocrites in the church takes place. And as each of the living creatures has the face of a lion, the face of a calf, the face of a man, and the face of an eagle (Ezek. 1:10),

-- the same judicial insignia as have the beasts who are before the throne in the heavenly sanctuary (Rev. 4:7) in the time of the judgment of the dead, -- and as they descend to earth, they thereby symbolically show that the work of the mediatorial-judicial throne which convenes and presides over the judgment of the dead is extended to earth.

This extension, so far as we are able to know now, must take place at the opening of the seventh seal (Rev. 8:1), for at that time the celestial voices, which opened the judgment of the dead, cease in the heavenly sanctuary and begin, after the half hour's silence, to sound on earth.

In other words, just as in heaven at the opening of the judgment of the dead, there were "lightnings and thunderings and voices" (Rev. 4:5), likewise on earth at the opening of the "judgment of the living," there are "voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake." Rev. 8:5.

With the judgment of the dead, however, the work of separation takes place in the books in the heavenly sanctuary; whereas with the judgment of the living, the separation takes place among the people in the church as well as among their names in the books in the heavenly sanctuary, thus showing that both sanctuaries will finally be cleansed.

Inescapably, therefore, the Lord's coming to His temple (Mal. 3:1-3), His coming with all His angels (Matt. 25), and His coming enthroned above the living creatures (Ezek. 1), -- all three representing the same event as has been shown, -- take place at the beginning of the judgment of the living: the time in which the judicial activities of the heavenly sanctuary extend to the earthly sanctuary -- the church.

"And I looked, and behold a white cloud," exclaimed John the Revelator, envisaging the same coming variously described by Malachi, Matthew, and Ezekiel, "and upon the cloud One sat like unto the Son of man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle.

And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in Thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for Thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. And He that sat on the cloud thrust in His sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped." Rev. 14:14-16.

This coming of the Son of man is plainly, therefore, not when the resurrected and the living righteous are caught up together to meet Him in the air: for verses 17-20, following the ones quoted in the paragraph above, reveal that after He came and reaped the earth, "another angel...having a sharp sickle" came and reaped a second harvest before the wrath of God -- the seven last plagues (Rev. 15:1) -- was poured out upon the wicked.

Thus again and for the fourth time it is seen that there are two different comings of the Son of man: the one to "sever the wicked from among the just" in the church (Matt. 13:49), and then immediately to call the just from among the wicked in Babylon (Rev. 18:4); the other to take the saints, both the resurrected and the living, to the mansions which He has prepared for them (1 Thess. 4:16; John 14:1-3).

At the former coming of the Son of man, the stone which smote the great image was cut out without hands (without man's aid, and by the Lord Himself) because, as the Lord says, "there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore Mine own arm brought salvation unto Me; and My fury, it upheld Me. And I will tread down the people in Mine anger, and make them drunk in My fury and I will bring down their strength to the earth." Isa. 63:5, 6.

(The Judgment and the Harvest, p.46-47)

GLL wrote: "declare here publicly that you will address each and every question I ask you from now on."

Honestly GLL, I will address ISSUES as I am convicted to address them. There is no way to address all your questions and comments without dissecting the twistings of Houteff's writings, for you are presenting his writings in all your posts and answers, but when I unravel his misuse of EGW's writings and scripture, you will then say I'm "jumping around" and not answering your questions. I have tried, but found my answers are not to your satisfaction, because I can't simply say "yes I agree" or "no I don't agree" thus you would only accuse me again.

However, when I agree with EGW's comments, but disagree with Houteff's use of them, how can I give a blanket answer of "yes, I agree, or no I don't agree". Answering will always lead into different fields, for often Houteff uses quotes dealing with something different to substantiate something he is trying to teach.


It's like this.
When we travel somewhere we need to know where we are going.
Where are Houteff's studies leading us?

You are using Houteff's writings almost exclusively in all your posts. Where is he going? I already know he is leading people to believe Adventism will be destroyed and Shepherd Rod's will take over in their place and lead people to Palestine from which they will safely call the nations to God's kingdom. The terrible persecution of the last days will only fall on those who have not yet reached Palestine and the literal kingdom that Houteff teaches will be established where some anti-typical David will be "king".

The destination point is totally different from what we as Adventists understand from the scriptures and from the writings of Ellen White. It is NOT the teachings of EGW, and using her to give credence to this very different destination point, is not right.