"He sent His own Son in a body like the bodies we sinners have." As Jones said, do not drag His mind into it. I would add, do not drag His moral worth or His character into it.

In the likeness of sinful flesh, not sinful mind. Unlike you, I do not believe that sin is a genetic deformity.

But let's drag this back to the topic, shall we?


Was Jesus of the same moral worth as degenerate humanity? Don't forget that true greatness and character are inextricably intertwined with moral worth.

Do you think EGW was saying that Jesus was as morally degenerate as His sinful contemporaries?

Did Christ have perfect genetics? You did not answer this question.

What does sinful mean? Sinful means, full of sin.

By taking upon Himself man's nature in its fallen condition, Christ did not in the least participate in its sin. He was subject to the infirmities and weaknesses of the flesh with which humanity is encompassed, "that it might be fulfilled that was spoken by the prophet Esaias, Himself took our infirmities and bare our sicknesses." He was touched with the feeling of our infirmities, and was in all points tempted like as we are. And yet He was without a spot. {16MR 116.3}

Man's nature was sinful, and Christ took that on, but "not in the least participate 'in its sin'".

Arnold, the lusts and affections generated and communicated via sinful flesh do not originate with the new mind or the new heart of believers while they are abiding in Jesus. You seem to be treating them as one and the same. They clearly are not. That is, the unholy clamorings of sinful flesh do not flow from the mind and heart of born-again believers while they are abiding in Jesus. Again, you seem to think the unholy thoughts and feelings that tempt from within flow from the new mind and/or the new heart. They do not.

Because you are distracting yourself. And you're dragging a Red Herring around.

You strongly implied that Jesus was of the same moral worth as degenerate man. If you believe that, there's much more important things to talk about than His genes. And try as you might, I'm not letting you derail this.

You treat sinful flesh as a sentient being. It is not. Your sinful flesh is you.

Arnold, people who experience rebirth in God's appointed way, who are abiding in Jesus, who are walking in the Spirit and in the mind of the new man, who are partaking of the divine nature are not sinful flesh. They are anything but sinful flesh. Yes, they have sinful flesh. But, no, they are not sinful flesh. Ellen White is clear:


They must "abstain from fleshly lusts which war against the soul."


They are not sinful flesh. Instead, they resist its unholy clamorings.

Red herring.... You won't answer the question because the answer it that yes, He did have defective genes. And you somehow believe that God's creation, OUR BODIES, is unrelated to the subject of sin. You can't see how it is our bodies, our flesh, full of sin, that is what is clamoring with lust, that is pulling us to satisfy self. Christ came in the same body, He bore of sin in His body, [quoting scripture!] was made TO BE SIN.

Ellen White tells us that "amalgamation", the manipulation of the genetic material, defaced the image of God. That this one sin above all else, called for the destruction of the pre-flood race. Ellen White tells us how sin is transmitted to our offspring generation after generation. You can't accept that it is in the genome.

The Law of God is not some extrinsic legal law that is laid down that we must legally keep. It is intrinsic in "every nerve, every muscle, every faculty of our being". Quoting EGW: "God's law is written by His own finger upon every nerve, every muscle, every faculty which has been entrusted to man." How is it written? You can't answer if you ignore the obvious conclusion. What is the writing medium? What is the code? On what is the law written?

In only this way can the Bible to be taken literally when it says, Christ was made to be sin, and He carried our sin in His body. And EGW says it was our very FLESH He came to save.

The sin problem is intrinsic to our very being. We are born this way, there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Christ took on our SINFUL FLESH, flesh, FULL OF SIN, and lived a perfect life. Christ is our only hope.

But your hope is in a moral degenerate. You have problems, your genetic prowess notwithstanding.

Good grief asygo.

Read AGAIN:

NOTE - He came with such a "heredity to share our sorrows and temptations".

Arnold, people who experience rebirth in God's appointed way, who are abiding in Jesus, who are walking in the Spirit and in the mind of the new man, who are partaking of the divine nature are not sinful flesh. They are anything but sinful flesh. Yes, they have sinful flesh. But, no, they are not sinful flesh. Ellen White is clear:


They must "abstain from fleshly lusts which war against the soul."


They are not sinful flesh. Instead, they resist its unholy clamorings. It cannot be both. They are not psycho - tempting themselves to sin and resisting the temptation.