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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
[Re: Karen Y]
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12/23/14 11:52 PM
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The fact that Sabbaticals point to judgment is also confirmed in the 1260 day prophecies. Sabbatical years ended in both 538 AD and 1798 AD. Interestingly there were exactly 180 Sabbaticals over that period. 1798 which marked the end of a Sabbatical is of course the year of judgment on the Papacy when the Pope was taken captive and the civil power of Rome broken.
But if you subscribe to the view that the 2520 years are significant in scripture it's even more interesting. Then there are exactly 360 sabbaticals – the same number as in the days of the 360 prophetic year - between the initial “times of the gentiles” when the Northern Kingdom was broken and taken captive in 723 BC, until the termination in 1798. So I'm inclined to think that Jeff Pippenger has done us more of a service than we've credited him to bring this part of the Millerite chart and the work of Hiram Edson to our attention.
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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12/24/14 12:09 AM
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The simplicity and symmetry speak eloquently that Sabbatical years are linked to judgment. To summarize the last post: Every significant case of judgment of God's people, 723 BC, 34 AD, and 1798 AD - both Jew and Gentile - occurs on a Sabbatical. And as if to impress this with the divine signature, the over-arching time period, 7 times 360 prophetic days is 2520 years which contain an identical number of 360 sabbaticals.
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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Is the Jubilee every 50 years or 49?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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The Seven Trumpets must blast its sound to collapse the spiritual Babylon before the kingdoms of this world become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ as the city of Jericho was destroyed on the seventh day at the trumpet blast.
The collapse of the Babylon the great will not occur unless the Seven Trumpets blast its sound. This understanding is supported by the main outline that progresses in a logical, orderly way from beginning to end.
Only the priests are allowed to blow the trumpets in the ancient time. Numbers 10:8 “And the sons of Aaron, the priests, shall blow with the trumpets; and they shall be to you for an ordinance for ever throughout your generations.”
Who would be the modern priests of God that will blow the Seven Trumpets’ messages, if not the sealed of God?
We are told in the introduction of the Seven Trumpets that the investigative judgment will be over swiftly and abruptly, and the probation will be closed forever. The saints of the sealed of God will recognize the scenario of the Seven Trumpets as they reexamine and understand the correct interpretations. The thrilling message of the Seven Trumpets will wake up the remnant church of God to the final Apocalyptic sealing and will enlighten the earth as in Rev. Chap. 18:1
Indeed, Jesus have testified all things in the church for His plan of redemption in the book of Revelation, which the focal setting comes from the sanctuary.
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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Is the Jubilee every 50 years or 49? The Jubilee starts on the Day of Atonement ten days after the Feast of Trumpets but it is also announced by a trumpet immediately after the Atonement. It spans the last five lunar months of the old year and the first seven months of the 50th year. So the frequency is every 49 years but because the Jubilee covers the following year, a Sunday year, it's observed in the 50th year. Remember, the religious year runs from the first to the seventh months. The Jubilee reckoning mirrors Pentecost. The Feast of Firstfruits is the first Sunday after the Passover. Then just as you court seven sabbaticals and then celebrate the Jubilee in the following year, you count 7 weeks and celebrate Pentecost on the following Sunday. Lev 23:15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: Lev 23:16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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Furthermore, there have been 62 tetrads since the first century AD and eight of them have coincided with both the feasts. Eight times in 2000 years isn't what most people think of as a common occurrence. If that was the only sign, I agree it wouldn't be that strong. But if you combine it with the others it's worth taking note that maybe there's something to it. Personally, looking at the signs of the soon return of Christ to me is like looking at the beauties of spring knowing summer is not far away. It's not the issue of commonness, but reoccurring I had an issue with. And still there's the issue of why eclipses have anything to do with anything. Is there anything that says four eclipses mean something? And still there's the issue of them not being the same time as the neo-Jews say they are. Could you comment on the new moon, the full moon, and starting the month a couple days later than the new moon which would make the eclipse happening two days prior to when they say the 14/15th is?
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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12/24/14 07:21 PM
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It's not the issue of commonness, but reoccurring I had an issue with. That's a valid point. I'll see if I can't do some checking over the next 48 hours on whether Providence historically uses recurring celestial events like eclipses as omens.
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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Outline of the Book of Revelation
The Book of Revelation is the book of visions from God to reveal Jesus to His saints. We must realize that it has a flow of continuous vision with a sequential pattern. The progressions of the visions have a logical relatedness in the order of presentation with a few of elaborative interludes to illustrate the main point, which contributes significance to the overall framework.
The Apostle John bore record of all things that he saw in the visions (Rev. 2:2), which Jesus has testified in the churches (Rev 22:16) and said, “… all the churches shall know”(Rev. 2:23).
The beginning of the visions was church, “John to the seven churches” (Rev. 1:4). At the end of the vision, He said, “I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches…” (Rev 22:16).
The Chapter one is about messages to church on ; 1). “things …must shortly come to pass” and “the time is at hand”, 2). “Blessed” ones, 3). Spirit filled in the Lord’s Day.
The Chapter two and three are the things that Holy Spirit speaks to churches. “He that has an ear let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches”.
The Chapter four and five are about the judgment of God. Jesus is our Judge (John 5:22), Advocate (1 John 2:1), and Attorney (Rev 1:5). There are four kinds of judgment in the Book of Revelation; 1) Investigative Judgment, 2) Judgment of Verdict, 3) Judgment of Execution, and 4) Judgment of Appraisal.
The Chapter six is about unsealing in the progression of the Investigative Judgment and the seven is about the final apocalyptic sealing.
The Chapter eight through ten are about the blast of the Seven Trumpets by the sealed saints. If not sealed, then he has no part in the blowing of the trumpet.
The Chapter eleven is about the covenant of God. The Ten Commandments in the ark of covenant in the temple indicates the law of God is the standard for judgment.
The Chapter twelve and thirteen are about exposing the identity of Satan who was cast down to earth and persecutes saints with the mark of beast, his number is 666.
The Chapter fourteen is about the 144000 that have the harps to sing a new song.
The Chapter fifteen and the sixteen are about the bowl of the wrath of God, which poured out to cause the noisome and grievous sore, sea and the drinking water turn to blood, sun scorching heat, caused the Papacy to gnawed tongue for pain, caused religions to unite by the river of the Euphrates.
The Chapter 17 and 18 are about the fallen Babylon the Great, which the kings of the earth and the beast served the Pope. But ultimately, they will hate the whore, make her desolate, naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire.
The Chapter 19 is about the White Horse whose vesture dipped in blood comes with the 200 million angels of heaven-the Second Coming of Jesus.
The Chapter 20 is about the review of the Judgment of God.
The Chapter 21 and 22 are about the restored New Heaven and New Earth, and we shall not be able to recall or neither think of the past in our heart.
The starting point was the church on this earth, which is the portal to the church in heaven. Considering this, there is nothing important than church that we must love. If any one departs church, it will be like fish coming out of water, which death follows immediately. Indeed the visible church on earth is the portal to the New Jerusalem.
The development of the progression in the book of Revelation exhibits a sequential outline, which we see the Seven Trumpets corresponds as the warnings of the coming wrath of God in the Seven Plagues. Only the modern day priests who are sealed will blow the Seven Trumpets’ message that the end of the probation is imminent and people must come out of the Babylon to escape the wrath of God in the Seven Plagues.
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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12/24/14 08:29 PM
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The NASA site has pages on historic events associated by some with lunar and solar eclipses. Basically there is no correlation. So I respect your views Kland and agree that if the Lord wants to draw attention to this fall, it seems reasonable that he would do something more unusual, like the comet in the shape of a sword that hung over Jerusalem for a year before it was destroyed, or the unparalleled meteor shower of 1833. To me though it's enough that the Feast of Trumpets is next on the sacred calendar and that we already have the convergence of events and past divine interventions, not so much the blood moons as the evidence compiled by Cahn, indicating that God could begin to loosen the seals and sound the trumpets very soon. One thing that adds credibility to Cahn's message is he is not just sensational. His calls to repent are reaching many hearts from what I can see. He doesn't have the strength of character of a prophet like John the Baptist but it seems to me the Lord is using him. By showing the connection between the Sabbaticals and judgment Cahn is preparing the church in Babylon for the Sabbath truth.
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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12/24/14 08:54 PM
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I need to qualify this comment: So I respect your views Kland and agree that if the Lord wants to draw attention to this fall, it seems reasonable that he would do something more unusual, like the comet in the shape of a sword that hung over Jerusalem for a year before it was destroyed, or the unparalleled meteor shower of 1833.
The Lord has revealed to us as Adventists that the cities will suffer great calamities and he's commissioned us to give that warning. If we fail to give it will he put signs in the sky? In the visions given to our prophet she was shown people asking us, "If you knew this was going to happen why didn't you tell us?" There's no mention of omens in the sky. And from her other prophecies of an overwhelming surprise we could be justified in concluding that our silence on the impending doom of the cities may not be rectified by celestial signs. To keep my own conscience clear, I think it's the right thing to support the message of Cahn to the extent it's in harmony with what we know to be true.
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