Cahn and Wilkerson and the prophets before them all gave conditional warnings. They made calls to repentance that if heeded averted the threatened judgments. I hope myself that nothing deadly happens. God is long-suffering and repeatedly spares entire cities and nations. He holds back the winds of strife for the sake of the few who repent and turn to him. And he holds back the same winds for the sake of those who would be lost if they faced the crises with compromised, weak and unrepentant characters. God help us all to see ourselves as we are and to seek him and be reconciled to him and to each other now while we're able.

Kland regarding the timing of the new moon, my understanding is that the modern Jews are basically scriptural in their methods. As far as I can recall, their method is to estimate the first visible new moon mathematically because it is impractical to wait each month for sightings. In the same way that Adventist have sunset calendars because we can't go by the visible sunset due to the weather and other variables such as mountain terrain, it's appropriate to calculate the start of the months.

I'm not disputing whether or not they are scriptural in their methods. What I'm asking you is how can their methods of 2 days after possibly coincide with the full moon/eclipse?

Maybe I'm not explaining this clear which is why you keep talking about scriptural methods. It seems clear to me. Do you see from my chart, that regardless of whether one calls the second line scriptural or not, the Full Moon cannot possibly fall on what they call the 15th? The full moon and eclipse would occur prior to that.

Maybe an example? Wikipedia lists one of the blood moon tetrads as being on April 4, 2015.

The new moon is early March 20th, 2015.
They say it is the 22nd.
The full moon is early morning on April 4, 2015.
Which would be the 14th day.

Which does sound right on. But I think there is an off-by one error. Take two days and split them across another day and it's close.

If the 20th is day 1, then day 14 would be April 2.
But is that at sunset on April 1, or April 2?

If the 22nd is day 1, then day 14 would be April 4.
Sunset?

For the U.S., the full moon occurs in the early morning of April 4 which is when the eclipse happens.

Can you help sort this out? I think it's off a day. But I may have confused myself. Because if you don't start counting the days until the day after conjunction, it comes close, a day off from what they do. Is passover the evening of April 3, or the evening of April 4? So if you don't start counting until a day after conjunction, and if they start it the day before, then you would have a match. Help....

According to what you've shared, the Rabbis are saying Passover is the evening of April 4. Passover starts at the end of the 14th (April 4) a little before sunset and the celebration continues on into the evening which at sundown becomes the 15th. So in order for the eclipse to be on the Passover, it needs to happen, as it does this year, (well, almost this year, Happy New Year) in the hours between sundown on the 3rd (the beginning of the 14th day) and sundown on the 4th (the end of the 14th day.)

Karen, regarding the sealing, the rabbis teach, and I agree with them, that this takes place on the Day of Atonement.

The Feast of Trumpets fell on the first day of the seventh Hebrew month. It's purpose was to announce the approach of the Day of Atonement ten days later. It was to prepare the nation for this most holy day of the sacred calendar. Both modern and ancient Jews teach that Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, is the day of reckoning when a person's destiny is fixed. It is a day of judgment and sealing. So, the question we need to ask is, “What if the Lord sees fit to fulfill the Feast of Trumpets this coming fall? What then?” If this happens it implies that earth's final hour of judgment typified by Day of Atonement begins ten days later. See Leviticus 16 and Revelation 14:6 and 7.

But is this all gloom and doom? Not at all. The opposite is true. Just as Pentecost marked the start of the gospel era with the out pouring of the Holy Spirit, in the same way, the Day of Atonement this fall could mark the start of the final cleansing of the church; the time of sealing and atonement when sins are blotted out at the final outpouring of the Holy Spirit foretold by the prophet Joel and the Apostle Peter:





Notice what Peter is saying: Repent now, today during the early rain so that you'll be ready for the refreshing of the latter rain when sins are blotted out and after which Christ will immediately come.

Speaking of that final period of cleansing and atonement the prophet Malachi states:


For those who are “poor in spirit” and longing for righteousness, the sudden arrival of the messenger of the Covenant is the best possible news. Why? This messenger announces the final liberation and blotting out of sin of God's people. In Revelation 14:6 and 7 the same messenger of the covenant suddenly appears with the same announcement: “the hour of His judgment is come!” But notice that the announcement of the judgment, the final atoning and cleansing of the Church, is termed the “everlasting gospel” - wonderful news to the humble and the meek. But for the unrepentant nothing could be more unwelcome. We have an inkling of the violent reaction against that message by the content of the two messages that follow:



But for the poor in spirit the call to repentance and the blotting out of sin at the time of the latter rain is the gospel in verity.

Karen, besides the message of Peter that we are sealed by the latter rain when our sins are blotted out (and of course we need to have repented of them beforehand in order for them to be blotted out), Zechariah has the same idea. He says that in the latter days the men of Judah (renewed believers) will have victory over sin first so that the inhabitants of Jerusalem (Adventist believers) do not boast over their brethren.

Hi Mark,

Deuteronomy 29:29 “The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law”.

One another theme of the book of Revelation is about the judgment of God.

Rev. Chap. 1 – 7 : Investigative Judgment (pertained to the saints)
Rev. Chap. 8 – 14 : Judgment of Verdict (pertained to the wicked)
Rev. Chap. 15 – 19 : Judgment of Execution (pertained to the wicked)
Rev. Chap. 20 – 22 : Reviewing the Judgment (pertained to the saints)

If people pass the investigative judgment of God, which progresses in heaven right now, they would have no worries because the Lamb of God prevailed for His saints.

“And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.” Rev. 5:5

The investigative judgment has begun when Jesus has entered the Most Holy place in the heavenly sanctuary.
Dan. 8:14 “And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.”
Dan. 7:10 “A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.”

The investigative judgment exists prior to the close of probation. The close of probation is depicted in the Seven Trumpets of the Book of Revelation. Rev. 8:5 “And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.”

The Seven Trumpets have prophetic allusion from the feast of the Trumpets as the function of the warning for the Anti-typical Day of Atonement. Therefore, I would say that the Seven Trumpets are present and future since the Anti-typical Day of Atonement has not come to the end yet.

I can say the least that the apocalyptic sealing of the 144,000 is in progression during this Anti-typical Day of Atonement. Understandably, sealing comes after the investigation of individual’s life that are worthy. What God has revealed to us already is that the investigative judgment has begun when Jesus has entered the most holy place in heavenly sanctuary in 1844 and the sealing has been going on ever since.

We take a glance on the flow of the events in the book of Revelation, which will give us understanding what is the purpose of the Seven Trumpets.

*There must be a judgment prior to the sealing of God.
The Seven Churches (Rev. Chap. 1-3) will be judged (Investigative Judgment in Chap. 4-5) prior to the Seven Sealing (Chap. 6-7).

*There has to be exposing ID prior to the Seven Plagues.
The Seven Trumpets (Chap. 8-11) will expose the identity of Satan (Chap. 12-14) prior to the Seven Plagues (Chap. 15-16)

*The Babylon the great falls prior to the Second Coming.
The collapse of the Babylon (Chap. 17-18) will happen prior to the Second coming of Jesus (Chap. 19).

*After reviewing the judgment, the new heaven and new earth will be restored.
During the millennium (Chap. 20), we will review the judgment of God, then the New Heaven and New Earth restore (Chap. 21-22).

Despite the warnings of the Seven Trumpet, if people do not repent but blaspheme God, they will receive the wrath of God in the Seven Plagues. The Seven Trumpets must blast the sound that the close of the probation is imminent by the sealed people of God. The next Chap. 12, 13 and 14 are exposing the identity of Satan who is the fallen star (Chap. 12) from heaven and that has the direct linkage to the papacy (Chap. 13). The Satan attacks the law of God, especially the Sabbath (Chap. 14). This “Loud Cry” of the Seven Trumpets brings the judgment of the Seven Plagues (Chap. 15-16), which culminates the fall of the Babylon (Chap. 17-18) and the Second Coming of Jesus Christ (Chap. 19).

I'm having a little trouble understanding. The end of the 14th or the beginning of the 14th?

But what I've found out, although the average number of days in a month is 29.5, it can vary almost a whole day. During April, it was something like 29.14. So, I thought let's look at other times.

Last night, January 4th before midnight, was the full moon.
The new moon was a little after sundown on the 21st of December.
Counting the 21st as day 1 (midnight reckoning), January 4 would be the 15th day, of which the full moon happens a bit before midnight.

They say the new moon is the 24th of December, though some have said it is the 23rd. Going with the 23rd puts day 14 at January 5. Of which, depending on what you meant above, could work out. I just can't help thinking something is off here. And their "schedule" seems to change at who's doing it.

So looking at this past October, the new moon was early September 24th a little after midnight. October 8, early in the morning, was the full moon/eclipse which was day 15. They say the new moon was September 26. Their day 14 puts it at October 9. Even if you start at sunset the day before, it is past the eclipse of early morning October 8.

Am I missing something here or miscounting something?
And why isn't it day 15? Or is it the 15th day for October, and the 14th for April?
I just think something doesn't line up here.

Then I was looking at locations from timeanddate.com and see that Jerusalem is not going to experience at least one of the eclipses. Thinking of it, I think dedication might have brought that up.

Some questions come to mind that I think need answers.

"Tetrad (astronomy), an occurrence of 4 total lunar eclipses in a row with intervals of 6 lunations (semester)."
"In astronomy, a tetrad is a set of four total lunar eclipses within two years."

1) Who gets to come up with what a tetrad is? What if it was with 7 lunations over 3 years? That is, Why does four eclipses on certain Jewish holy days mean anything? Why does four within two years mean something? Should it mean something with the first one, the last one? Why wouldn't just one eclipse on a special one, maybe the day of atonement, mean more than on others?

Along with that, what if the days don't completely align up as stated in my previous post? Just as long as it's close? What I'm asking is, would you have noticed anything if no one was marketing it? Are they marketing it truthfully, that you would come to the same conclusions, or are they trying to sell books?

2) What does, turned to "Blood", mean? Now if it had said the moon would be darkened, or dimmed, I would agree. But did the past eclipses even begin to remind you of blood, or even "red"?

3) Should these eclipses be worldwide, or only over certain locations? Should they be total, or how about mostly? The darkened color is the same for a 75% eclipse. What about a total eclipse but the moon sets before it's fully seen?

In other words, there may be more "tetrads" or otherwise eclipses on certain days at certain locations occurring quite more frequently than the marketed ones. Are some locations more important than other locations? Some answers need to validate why some are important over others. I know one James who had said basically no one should care about the southern hemisphere in his predictions.

The seven bowl angels are about to come forth to execute their mission of the seven plagues upon the earth.
We are told that the Seven angels of the trumpets stood before the throne of God to watch the investigative judgment with intense concern.

Finally the seventh seal opened and the heaven becomes awfully silent in awaiting development of the next event, which is literal judgment of the seven last plagues.
The remnant of the sealed of God blast the Seven Trumpets of prediction which foretell the events of the Seven Plagues before the close of probation. The indication of scenario is clearly depicted by the judgment of the seven trumpet which prepared to sound after the cast of the incense (Rev. 8:5).

It is very evident that the Seven Plagues intimately linked with the Seven Trumpets.

Amos 3:7 “Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.”