Interesting. Didn't the pioneers rely on the karaite calendar? The view I'm presenting is the one followed by the karaites.



No, I don't believe it's in the type. And, as I said, I don't believe Christ died on a Nisan 14 - a Nisan 14 is astronomically impossible in A.D. 31 for Christ's death.

You are reading "after the Sabbath" and believe it is the 7th-day Sabbath, yet the first day of the feast was a sabbath. And you believe that is is not a type. Yet, on all points you are in conflict with Ellen White's writings as the Wave Sheaf is type and Christ the anti-type, GC 399. And in PP 539 she is clear and that on the second day of the feast, the day after the ceremonial sabbath, the wave sheaf was presented. There is no way this can always be on a Sunday.

I found the following SDA commentators which discuss the day of Pentecost, and calculated astronomical data.
http://biblelight.net/pentecost.htm
http://clearbibleanswers.org/ad-31-and-the-friday-crucifixion.html

So, "after the Sabbath" means "after the first ceremonial Sabbath of the feast" (by the way, why not the second ceremonial Sabbath of the feast?). And "after the seventh Sabbath," in the following verse, means what? Don't you see this is inconsistent?


Not at all. The Wave Sheaf is the type and Christ's resurrection is the antitype.


And in GC 642 she is clear that Christ should be sacrificed on the day the Passover was eaten, that is, Nisan 15.

Rosangela - why did Ellen White not see the so clear inconsistency as you say? Why in Adventist publications of her time did they not see it? Is it because they understood the terminology different than you?

So to state your position clearly, you are saying Ellen White was wrong. And not only in Desire of Ages (642), but in Great Controversy:These types were fulfilled, not only as to the event, but as to the time. On the fourteenth day of the first Jewish month, the very day and month on which for fifteen long centuries the Passover lamb had been slain, Christ, having eaten the Passover with His disciples, instituted that feast which was to commemorate His own death as "the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." That same night He was taken by wicked hands to be crucified and slain. And as the antitype of the wave sheaf our Lord was raised from the dead on the third day, "the first fruits of them that slept," a sample of all the resurrected just, whose "vile body" shall be changed, and "fashioned like unto His glorious body." 1 Corinthians 15:20; Philippians 3:21. {GC 399.3}

A prophet can sometimes commit a mistake when describing details of minor importance. For instance, Ellen White writes about Herod as if the same Herod who took part in Christ's trial also killed the apostle James.


Just a moment: it's you who are saying Ellen White was wrong in DA 642, since you are denying that Christ should die on the day the Passover was eaten.


When the text above is read, it must be borne in mind that time is passing as we advance from the time the lamb is slain to the time the lamb is eaten. During the passage of time we go from the fourteenth to the fifteenth, as the sun sets.

Ah - Nissan 15, we it a ceremonial Sabbath day or not? If it was not, then you have a bigger problem in that by your reconning, the first day of unleavened bread would have been the Sunday and the wave sheaf would have occurred AFTER the week of unleavened bread, contradiction Ellen White even more. I'll stick with Ellen's assessment, and the same reconning that is used with respect to Jonah. You seem to ignore that fact that what you espouse, we not believed by the Adventist pioneers nor Ellen White.

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Of course Nisan 15 was a ceremonial Sabbath.
And what you seem to ignore is that, astronomically, the death of Christ in A.D. 31 cannot have happened on a Nisan 14. By insisting that it must have happened on a Nisan 14, you are disqualifying the year 31 A.D. as the year for Christ's death.

Did you not read the link above which talks about astronomical data? I have not ignored it at all!

I was starting to think that, too.

Rosangela, what of the link's logic do you disagree with?

First, autumn new moon crescents take longer to be spotted than spring new moon crescents, but this was a spring new moon.

Second, I don't know what the expression "3.5 days" means, as it should have been expressed in terms of hours, not of days, but certainly a lunar month won't start at the fourth sunset after conjunction. In the book The Chronology of Ezra 7, pages 154-155, Horn and Wood say:

In the Near East it takes 16.5 to 42 hours after conjunction _ depending on whether her movements in relation to her distance from the earth are fast or slow _ before the moon becomes visible again in the form of a thin crescent, waxing larger and larger until the time of full moon.

Third, a month was the twenty-nine or thirty days between the first appearance of a crescent moon at sunset and the first appearance of the next crescent moon. In a year, about half of the months had 29 and half of them had 30 days. A month couldn't have 28 or 31 days. The preceding month had started on March 13/14, sunset to sunset. Using all the thirty days possible in a month, we arrive at April 12/13, sunset to sunset.