Wow, Daryl, that's quite a jump. Seven years later!

Is there a specific question you want to address regarding this thread? The JW's are very interesting to study.

The last post before mine asked questions that were not answered, which is one reason why I decided to bump this thread seven years later.

Well, Dave's last post was March 14, 2011, so he's still around. Perhaps he can clarify what he is asking, since I have no idea what he's talking about.

Offering a few Bible verses in support of the assertions would also be helpful.

Bumping this for further reviewing.

I bumped this as I am preparing for JW meetings in our home in the very near future.

JWs believe:
1 - Creation is NOT a literal 24 hour day.
2 - Rev. 14 re 144,000.
3 - Sabbath day only for the Jews.
4 - Jesus is a created being.

1. JW's do believe in creation. They oppose evolution.
But the ‘Watchtower creation’ puts a symbolic meaning on the word "day".
Of course this is not unique to JW's, there are other's who (including some Adventists) who turn to such texts as 3Peter "a day is as a thousand years" to try and stretch creation out over long periods of time.

But the Genesis story seems to make a considerable effort to affirm that each day mentioned was a literal 24-hour day, with an evening and morning each day. It even numbers them as ‘the first day’, ‘the sixth day’, etc., which strongly implies these are literal solar days.


When we come to the fourth commandment we realize the weekly cycle of six days followed by the seventh day of rest are literal days.

3) Of course the Sabbath commandment is tied up with the literal week of creation. Take away the literal week of creation and the Sabbath as a memorial of creation crumbles.

The Sabbath was made for mankind. (not just the Jews)
Jesus says so in Mark 2:28

The Sabbath was sanctified and blessed on the seventh day of Creation (See Gen. 2:1-3) This is verified when God presented the Sabbath to Jews who are asked to "remember" something that that was sanctified and blessed at creation. (See Ex. 20:11)



2) 144,000
we've been told by a Jehovah's Witness that only 144,000 people enter heaven, the rest are left behind to carve out their earthly kingdom here.







4)John 1:1, The KJV reads: that Jesus the Creator (‘the Word’) ‘was God’.
But J.W. Bible in the New World Translation has changed the verse. The Watchtower’s translation doesn’t say ‘the Word was God’ —it says ‘the Word was a god’. So Jesus is downgraded to just ‘a god’, yet scripture teaches there is only ONE God 00

Their response to the evening and the morning being the first day, etc. is that it couldn't have been based on a solar day as the sun wasn't created until the fourth day.

How would you respond to that?

On the first day there was LIGHT.
It is an astronomical fact that a day-night cycle needs only light plus rotation. It doesn't need the sun for morning and evening to occur.



On the fourth day the present system of the sun was put in place.

Interesting thought, God is the light of the first day.

However, I suggest that the Sun was in place, but the fourth day He put the rotation on the earth so the Sun can rule the day.

As far as the first day goes, if it was thousands of years, then the JW still have the problem of the Sun not ruling the day until thousands of years later....

What if "day" isn't based on the solar day, but the solar day is based on "day"? Meaning the Sabbath exists outside our solar system.